Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 19:14     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think we should reference the position of pro-abortion & anti-abortion. Instead of pro-choice/pro-life.

Just because I am pro-choice, it does not imply that I am not pro-life.



Likewise just because I'm pro-choice, doesn't mean that I'm "pro-abortion". Abortion is a choice that should be available to everyone, but it doesn't mean I want people to have one. In an ideal world there would be no unplanned pregnancies, no unwanted pregnancies and no unhealthy pregnancies. But we don't live in an ideal world so elective abortion is available.

Do most of you know that the clinical term for a miscarriage is also abortion? I miscarried a very wanted baby at 12 weeks and found it recorded in my medical records as an abortion. And I couldn't get treatment until I provided clinical proof that my baby was already dead -- I couldn't even see the doctor for my D&C until it was proven that my baby had no heartbeat (which the doctor would of course have checked before doing the procedure). THIS is what the "pro-life" movement does. They make it more difficult for grieving women to get the treatment they need. Make me feel SHAME that my baby died. That's not pro-"LIFE" it's anti-life and anti-caring and anti-women. Show some compassion for your fellow women.


Me too. Which got me thinking - are these 'abortions' excluded when they do the stats on how many women have had abortions? Or are they lumping them together?


My chart says I'm a "habitual aborter."
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 19:05     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Now that I am older, I see that carrying and having a healthy baby does not have to be the life destroying tragedy that it seems like to the younger women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. I do not agree with late term abortions of "convenience" which are illegal anyway. But society shames you coming and going - it takes a very strong person to go through a pregnancy when they wish it had never happened.
People get abortions because they never intended to get pregnant. They get abortions because they do not view a blastula of cells as a person. Abortion should be legal and medically available because we already know what happens when it is not.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 19:03     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Biology puts babies in mother's bodies so they will have the greatest chance of survival. We are not penguins. If you have an abortion you are killing your baby.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 19:02     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP again - that Rolling Stone article doesn't address the question. It wasn't a legal or constitutional question, but a data question. When collecting statistics on abortion, what 'counts' as an abortion. As a PP and I point out our medical records state 'abortion' but procedures secondary to miscarriage aren't what any sane person thinks about when having a debate on abortion.


PP here who posted Rolling Stone article - agree it doesn't address that issue, but I posted that for the macro point on body integrity. Sorry if not creating a new paragraph implied that I thought they were related - I was rushing to get dinner on the table.

I also had what you both experienced - twice. Once at 12 weeks, and once at six weeks. They were "missed miscarriages", but they are still spontaneous abortions, because your body ended the pregnancy. I had to have a D&C both times as well, and both times the fetus had already passed away. Spontaneous abortion does not require that your body expels the pregnancy (sorry to be graphic). Almost all medical records that I have been privy to make a distinction between elective and spontaneous. Your D&Cs were not elective abortions because you no longer had a viable pregnancy.


Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 19:01     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:The thing is, when you have a baby growing inside you, it's not just your Bidy anymore, you selfish, short-sighted jerks. It's the baby's body, too.

I find it hilarious that you libs have no problem killing off innocent babies, and at the same time lobby against putting rapists, torturers, and murderers to death.


Nope. You can have that perception of reality. Doesn't make it the right one.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 18:59     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
The thing is, when you have a baby growing inside you, it's not just your Bidy anymore, you selfish, short-sighted jerks. It's the baby's body, too.

I find it hilarious that you libs have no problem killing off innocent babies, and at the same time lobby against putting rapists, torturers, and murderers to death.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 18:57     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:PP again - that Rolling Stone article doesn't address the question. It wasn't a legal or constitutional question, but a data question. When collecting statistics on abortion, what 'counts' as an abortion. As a PP and I point out our medical records state 'abortion' but procedures secondary to miscarriage aren't what any sane person thinks about when having a debate on abortion.


PP here who posted Rolling Stone article - agree it doesn't address that issue, but I posted that for the macro point on body integrity. Sorry if not creating a new paragraph implied that I thought they were related - I was rushing to get dinner on the table.

I also had what you both experienced - twice. Once at 12 weeks, and once at six weeks. They were "missed miscarriages", but they are still spontaneous abortions, because your body ended the pregnancy. I had to have a D&C both times as well, and both times the fetus had already passed away. Spontaneous abortion does not require that your body expels the pregnancy (sorry to be graphic). Almost all medical records that I have been privy to make a distinction between elective and spontaneous. Your D&Cs were not elective abortions because you no longer had a viable pregnancy.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 18:52     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are a wide variety of reasons why someone may choose abortion. That is a serious decision for that person and her doctor to make. Not me. And certainly not the government.

The thing that I don't get is why pro-lifers stop caring about that life after it's born.


Why do you think they don't care?

Also I said that I am okay with abortion for extremely unfortunate circumstances. If a pregnancy is not viable or a danger to the mother, that is okay and should be legal everywhere. My issue is with frivolous abortions.



How, exactly, do you define "frivolous" abortion, and who will judge?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 18:41     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The only reason you pro choice people can be on this thread is because you weren't aborted. How many of you would be ok with it if your parent had decided to abort you?


I wouldn't be here to know.

NP. I'm actually here because my mother made the difficult decision to have an abortion in 1970 when she was 20 years old. It would have been a really hard life for my mom and that child--the father most definitely would have been out of the picture--and the fact that she was honest and told me about her history and her choice cemented my pro-choice status.

(I was born in 1980, when my mom was in a much better situation...and with my dad.)
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 18:40     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
PP again - that Rolling Stone article doesn't address the question. It wasn't a legal or constitutional question, but a data question. When collecting statistics on abortion, what 'counts' as an abortion. As a PP and I point out our medical records state 'abortion' but procedures secondary to miscarriage aren't what any sane person thinks about when having a debate on abortion.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 18:33     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think we should reference the position of pro-abortion & anti-abortion. Instead of pro-choice/pro-life.

Just because I am pro-choice, it does not imply that I am not pro-life.



Likewise just because I'm pro-choice, doesn't mean that I'm "pro-abortion". Abortion is a choice that should be available to everyone, but it doesn't mean I want people to have one. In an ideal world there would be no unplanned pregnancies, no unwanted pregnancies and no unhealthy pregnancies. But we don't live in an ideal world so elective abortion is available.

Do most of you know that the clinical term for a miscarriage is also abortion? I miscarried a very wanted baby at 12 weeks and found it recorded in my medical records as an abortion. And I couldn't get treatment until I provided clinical proof that my baby was already dead -- I couldn't even see the doctor for my D&C until it was proven that my baby had no heartbeat (which the doctor would of course have checked before doing the procedure). THIS is what the "pro-life" movement does. They make it more difficult for grieving women to get the treatment they need. Make me feel SHAME that my baby died. That's not pro-"LIFE" it's anti-life and anti-caring and anti-women. Show some compassion for your fellow women.


Me too. Which got me thinking - are these 'abortions' excluded when they do the stats on how many women have had abortions? Or are they lumping them together?


They are not lumped together. One is considered spontaneous (miscarriage) and the other is elective. The Constitution protects this right under the 4th and 15th amendments. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/will-america-lose-roe-v-wade-under-trump-w461361


Except my miscarriage wasn't spontaneous - I had a D & C because the fetal heartbeat stopped / fetus stopped growing but my body wasn't getting the memo in a timely fashion, and I chose not to wait around for the spontaneous heavy bleeding part . How are those categorized?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 17:51     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think we should reference the position of pro-abortion & anti-abortion. Instead of pro-choice/pro-life.

Just because I am pro-choice, it does not imply that I am not pro-life.



Likewise just because I'm pro-choice, doesn't mean that I'm "pro-abortion". Abortion is a choice that should be available to everyone, but it doesn't mean I want people to have one. In an ideal world there would be no unplanned pregnancies, no unwanted pregnancies and no unhealthy pregnancies. But we don't live in an ideal world so elective abortion is available.

Do most of you know that the clinical term for a miscarriage is also abortion? I miscarried a very wanted baby at 12 weeks and found it recorded in my medical records as an abortion. And I couldn't get treatment until I provided clinical proof that my baby was already dead -- I couldn't even see the doctor for my D&C until it was proven that my baby had no heartbeat (which the doctor would of course have checked before doing the procedure). THIS is what the "pro-life" movement does. They make it more difficult for grieving women to get the treatment they need. Make me feel SHAME that my baby died. That's not pro-"LIFE" it's anti-life and anti-caring and anti-women. Show some compassion for your fellow women.


Me too. Which got me thinking - are these 'abortions' excluded when they do the stats on how many women have had abortions? Or are they lumping them together?


They are not lumped together. One is considered spontaneous (miscarriage) and the other is elective. The Constitution protects this right under the 4th and 15th amendments. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/will-america-lose-roe-v-wade-under-trump-w461361
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 17:18     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:The only reason you pro choice people can be on this thread is because you weren't aborted. How many of you would be ok with it if your parent had decided to abort you?


I wouldn't be here to know.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 16:42     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think we should reference the position of pro-abortion & anti-abortion. Instead of pro-choice/pro-life.

Just because I am pro-choice, it does not imply that I am not pro-life.



Likewise just because I'm pro-choice, doesn't mean that I'm "pro-abortion". Abortion is a choice that should be available to everyone, but it doesn't mean I want people to have one. In an ideal world there would be no unplanned pregnancies, no unwanted pregnancies and no unhealthy pregnancies. But we don't live in an ideal world so elective abortion is available.

Do most of you know that the clinical term for a miscarriage is also abortion? I miscarried a very wanted baby at 12 weeks and found it recorded in my medical records as an abortion. And I couldn't get treatment until I provided clinical proof that my baby was already dead -- I couldn't even see the doctor for my D&C until it was proven that my baby had no heartbeat (which the doctor would of course have checked before doing the procedure). THIS is what the "pro-life" movement does. They make it more difficult for grieving women to get the treatment they need. Make me feel SHAME that my baby died. That's not pro-"LIFE" it's anti-life and anti-caring and anti-women. Show some compassion for your fellow women.


Me too. Which got me thinking - are these 'abortions' excluded when they do the stats on how many women have had abortions? Or are they lumping them together?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 16:35     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are a wide variety of reasons why someone may choose abortion. That is a serious decision for that person and her doctor to make. Not me. And certainly not the government.

The thing that I don't get is why pro-lifers stop caring about that life after it's born.


Why do you think they don't care?

Also I said that I am okay with abortion for extremely unfortunate circumstances. If a pregnancy is not viable or a danger to the mother, that is okay and should be legal everywhere. My issue is with frivolous abortions.


What is frivolous to you in your life may not be frivolous to someone else in their life. Why is this so complicated for you to understand? It's my body. It's my damn choice. Not yours. You worry about what you do, and I'll worry about what I do. I hate that anyone else thinks they know my life or can dictate what I should / shouldn't be able to do with my body. And yes, I do hate pro-lifers because for the life of me, I cannot understand why you can't keep your business out of the lives of others.

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Legislating other people's bodies is beyond freaky and weird to me. Why do you CARE if a woman who, lets be honest you wouldn't lift a finger to help, gets an abortion? If these women who shouldn't have babies had them you'd then crap all over their bad mothering and claim to feel sorry for their kids and say some people shouldn't be parents.

It doesn't hurt you or affect you in any way if another woman aborts a pregnancy. You know tons of women who have had one but you don't even know you know because it didn't affect you in the slightest. You are no worse off for it happening. But she might be much BETTER off. You might personally think it's wrong because your hoodoo book told you so but too bad. Luckily for you it's not your body or your baby so it's not your problem.