Anonymous
07/05/2016 11:32
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hmm. I'm going to continue to respond with facts and statistics instead of just blanket statements-
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.
You forgot some of your "facts." The Serrano, Arbor Heights, and Key Gardens are all within the Carlin Springs boundary. The new buildings in Columbia Forest will be directly across the Pike from the neighborhood with the highest concentration of poverty in Arlington (even though it should feed to a different elementary, assuming the boundary isn't redrawn, and is not within the same civic association boundary, it's still at the west end of the Pike). And the Gilliam Place project will be built within the school boundary where Arlington Mill, some of the Barcroft Apartments, and Buchanan Gardens are zoned. Even in North Arlington, the AH is mostly clustered around Buckingham, and mostly concentrated within the same elementary school, Barrett.
The problem is that the "plan" to preserve and create AH in Arlington relies heavily on converting existing market rate AH into CAFs, and also on infill building on land already owned by the AH developers. For instance, the Columbia Hills project, being built on land owned by an AH developer on which an adjacent AH project already stands, is to be 229 units, and that is only "phase one." There are FOUR potential phases. Those units would be all within the same civic association boundary, and all feed to the same schools. While this may bring the maximum number of units to the County, they WILL BE CONCENTRATED, and they WILL BE CONCENTRATED in areas that are already poorer and have higher populations of racial/ethnic minorities within their civic association boundaries and neighborhood schools compared to the rest of Arlington. Quantity over quality.
Thank you for bringing actual facts to this debate.
The above poster's "facts" get an easy gloss over. It seems legit when you link to that county webpages. They county doesn't want this debate. They set up the AH lobby to have an easy and disingenuous argument.
I'm very heartened to see more people coming forward, either on the list servs, here, or by joining CARD. The people doing the pandering to AH need to be challenged. They are wrong.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 11:20
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.
Yes... Let's look at facts shall we. The county has placed 4 buildings with 100% CAFS - not mixed income in an area that has one of the biggest concentrations of market rate affordable complexes in the county. So awesome! Let's dump more poverty on top of poverty.
Is anyone surprised the Shell's retail space remains empty? Business know it's shit policy. So does anyone else with half a brain.
yes- you are correct, those 4 bldgs have lots of CAF's in them. So the county overall has 3400 CAF's- https://arlingtonva.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2013/11/Fact-Sheet_Housing-Budget-Tools.pdf
THose 4 buildings represent approximately 450 of the CAF's in the county, or about 13% of the CAF's. There are 19 neighborhood schools in Arlington- so if was feasible to completely and evenly distribute CAF's among neighborhood elementary schools, you would have about 180 CAF's per school.
However- we all know their are many barriers to actually do so. 450 CAF's in one school district hardly appears to be a intentional plot to concentrate poverty.
Intention does not matter. I don't think anyone thinks that there is some plot to deliberately re-segregate the county. But that is what is happening, and to turn a blind eye to it is reprehensible.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 11:20
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The basic curriculum is the same at all Arlington schools. All the rest of this hand wringing is just polite cover for racism. So sick of this.
Discussing South Arlington schools is difficult, largely because it requires nuance. Nuance is hard to sell. Charges of racism, or anti-AH, are much easier for people to grasp, or lob onto others.
I would say that MOST of us living in South Arlington support "diversity" (whatever that means) by the simple fact that we choose to live here. If we didn't, we would live in Fairfax County, or North Arlington, or somewhere else where we would not live near poor, minority families. So the charges of racism particularly stings, and also undermines your argument.
The issues with South Arlington schools are real, and worth discussing. That doesn't mean they aren't good schools, or have good students. But if you think South Arlington schools are the equal of North Arlington schools, simply because they have the same basic curriculum, you're deluding yourself.
Many of those in S Arlington really, really want what they perceive many in N Arlington as having. But they can't afford it. Racism is alive and well in all parts of Arlington.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 11:15
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:hmm. I'm going to continue to respond with facts and statistics instead of just blanket statements-
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.
You forgot some of your "facts." The Serrano, Arbor Heights, and Key Gardens are all within the Carlin Springs boundary. The new buildings in Columbia Forest will be directly across the Pike from the neighborhood with the highest concentration of poverty in Arlington (even though it should feed to a different elementary, assuming the boundary isn't redrawn, and is not within the same civic association boundary, it's still at the west end of the Pike). And the Gilliam Place project will be built within the school boundary where Arlington Mill, some of the Barcroft Apartments, and Buchanan Gardens are zoned. Even in North Arlington, the AH is mostly clustered around Buckingham, and mostly concentrated within the same elementary school, Barrett.
The problem is that the "plan" to preserve and create AH in Arlington relies heavily on converting existing market rate AH into CAFs, and also on infill building on land already owned by the AH developers. For instance, the Columbia Hills project, being built on land owned by an AH developer on which an adjacent AH project already stands, is to be 229 units, and that is only "phase one." There are FOUR potential phases. Those units would be all within the same civic association boundary, and all feed to the same schools. While this may bring the maximum number of units to the County, they WILL BE CONCENTRATED, and they WILL BE CONCENTRATED in areas that are already poorer and have higher populations of racial/ethnic minorities within their civic association boundaries and neighborhood schools compared to the rest of Arlington. Quantity over quality.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 11:11
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:The basic curriculum is the same at all Arlington schools. All the rest of this hand wringing is just polite cover for racism. So sick of this.
Discussing South Arlington schools is difficult, largely because it requires nuance. Nuance is hard to sell. Charges of racism, or anti-AH, are much easier for people to grasp, or lob onto others.
I would say that MOST of us living in South Arlington support "diversity" (whatever that means) by the simple fact that we choose to live here. If we didn't, we would live in Fairfax County, or North Arlington, or somewhere else where we would not live near poor, minority families. So the charges of racism particularly stings, and also undermines your argument.
The issues with South Arlington schools are real, and worth discussing. That doesn't mean they aren't good schools, or have good students. But if you think South Arlington schools are the equal of North Arlington schools, simply because they have the same basic curriculum, you're deluding yourself.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 10:41
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly. What the PP seems not to understand is that the western end of the Pike (Carlin Springs school zone) already has lots of low-income housing--it's just "market rate" low-income. But it is affordable, low-income housing nevertheless. Then the county approved additional, long-term, high-density, committed affordable housing on top of that (the buildings you highlight above).
And yes, Randolph is currently the only school with 80%+ FARMs, but take a look at the stats for Randolph and Barcroft elementaries. They are both 60%+ FARMS, and *surprise* also on the middle/western part of the Pike.
So, we have the ONLY three schools in APS with 60%+ FARMS, all geographically close to each other, with the county approving more AH development in that area. Looks like concentration of poverty to me.
Barcroft has 61% FARMS, Barrett has 56%. That's really not that different.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 10:39
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hmm. I'm going to continue to respond with facts and statistics instead of just blanket statements-
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.
It's not just actual affordable housing that is supported by the County but in addition it is older "market rate" apartments in those areas. Market rate being the market rate one can get for older, non-updated apartments. In some cases, they even lack central AC. Couple those two things together and you get the concentrated poverty.
Exactly. What the PP seems not to understand is that the western end of the Pike (Carlin Springs school zone) already has lots of low-income housing--it's just "market rate" low-income. But it is affordable, low-income housing nevertheless. Then the county approved additional, long-term, high-density, committed affordable housing on top of that (the buildings you highlight above).
And yes, Randolph is currently the only school with 80%+ FARMs, but take a look at the stats for Randolph and Barcroft elementaries. They are both 60%+ FARMS, and *surprise* also on the middle/western part of the Pike.
So, we have the ONLY three schools in APS with 60%+ FARMS, all geographically close to each other, with the county approving more AH development in that area. Looks like concentration of poverty to me.
Drew is almost 60% and that's with almost 100 kids transferring in from north Arlington (which I'll use as a proxy for not-FARMS, although some of course may be). When they pull out Montessori, the graded program is going to be more like Carlin Springs demographics. It is very close geographically to Randolph. And a lot of the housing in Nauck is either CAH or market rate affordable multifamily, just like the neighborhoods closer to the Pike, or market rate affordable SFH (all those SFHs in Nauck that haven't been torn down already are rentals).
Anonymous
07/05/2016 10:36
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.
Yes... Let's look at facts shall we. The county has placed 4 buildings with 100% CAFS - not mixed income in an area that has one of the biggest concentrations of market rate affordable complexes in the county. So awesome! Let's dump more poverty on top of poverty.
Is anyone surprised the Shell's retail space remains empty? Business know it's shit policy. So does anyone else with half a brain.
yes- you are correct, those 4 bldgs have lots of CAF's in them. So the county overall has 3400 CAF's- https://arlingtonva.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2013/11/Fact-Sheet_Housing-Budget-Tools.pdf
THose 4 buildings represent approximately 450 of the CAF's in the county, or about 13% of the CAF's. There are 19 neighborhood schools in Arlington- so if was feasible to completely and evenly distribute CAF's among neighborhood elementary schools, you would have about 180 CAF's per school.
However- we all know their are many barriers to actually do so. 450 CAF's in one school district hardly appears to be a intentional plot to concentrate poverty.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 10:35
Subject: South Arlington schools
Barcroft "advocates" sold their neighborhood's soul for a streetcar when they agreed to the Columbia Pike plan, and then they didn't get it. So they've got all the AH but nothing to attract business. Most of them aren't affected by it b/c they have no kids, grown kids or send their kids to choice schools. But there are also some misguided moms at that school who see any opposition to more AH as racism. Unless you fall in line, it's hard to fit in there. They do teach the basic curriculum, PP is right about that. If you'd like more, though, go elsewhere in Arlington.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 10:30
Subject: South Arlington schools
Don't forget that county absolutely does have some power/control when it comes to marks.
They allowed the owners of those properties to transfer development rights.
It would be Devastating to the county if Barcroft apts suddenly was sold. They seem to only be invested in numbers. They have made it as easy and sweet as possible to keep the status quo in there.
They allowed the owners of those properties to transfer development rights.
It would be Devastating to the county if Barcroft apts suddenly was sold. They seem to only be invested in numbers. They have made it as easy and sweet as possible to keep the status quo in there.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 10:20
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hmm. I'm going to continue to respond with facts and statistics instead of just blanket statements-
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.
It's not just actual affordable housing that is supported by the County but in addition it is older "market rate" apartments in those areas. Market rate being the market rate one can get for older, non-updated apartments. In some cases, they even lack central AC. Couple those two things together and you get the concentrated poverty.
Exactly. What the PP seems not to understand is that the western end of the Pike (Carlin Springs school zone) already has lots of low-income housing--it's just "market rate" low-income. But it is affordable, low-income housing nevertheless. Then the county approved additional, long-term, high-density, committed affordable housing on top of that (the buildings you highlight above).
And yes, Randolph is currently the only school with 80%+ FARMs, but take a look at the stats for Randolph and Barcroft elementaries. They are both 60%+ FARMS, and *surprise* also on the middle/western part of the Pike.
So, we have the ONLY three schools in APS with 60%+ FARMS, all geographically close to each other, with the county approving more AH development in that area. Looks like concentration of poverty to me.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 10:10
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:hmm. I'm going to continue to respond with facts and statistics instead of just blanket statements-
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.
Yes... Let's look at facts shall we. The county has placed 4 buildings with 100% CAFS - not mixed income in an area that has one of the biggest concentrations of market rate affordable complexes in the county. So awesome! Let's dump more poverty on top of poverty.
Is anyone surprised the Shell's retail space remains empty? Business know it's shit policy. So does anyone else with half a brain.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 09:57
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:hmm. I'm going to continue to respond with facts and statistics instead of just blanket statements-
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.
It's not just actual affordable housing that is supported by the County but in addition it is older "market rate" apartments in those areas. Market rate being the market rate one can get for older, non-updated apartments. In some cases, they even lack central AC. Couple those two things together and you get the concentrated poverty.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 09:53
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The basic curriculum is the same at all Arlington schools. All the rest of this hand wringing is just polite cover for racism. So sick of this.
Hi there, we're a minority family and no, it's not a polite cover for racism. Basic curriculum =/= quality of education.
You want to send your kids to an underachieving school? Go right ahead. In fact, if you aren't, you're a huge hypocrite. But I want to send my kids where they will do best, not where I can see bleeding heart policies at play so that my kids get a subpar education so some lily white women in far north Arlington can feel good about helping the poors and oh, isn't wonderful how DIVERSE Arlington is!?
Preach.
But you should know that we have people who live in Columbia Forest and Barcroft advocating for more of the same failed polices. I think we want to believe it's MONA's that are pushing this agenda. I really don't think it is. I think most MONA's are worried about trailers at their schools and aren't really interested in what's happening in south Arlington, as long as it doesn't affect them. We'll see what's what, when they start to redevelop Lee Highway.
Anonymous
07/05/2016 09:51
Subject: Re:South Arlington schools
hmm. I'm going to continue to respond with facts and statistics instead of just blanket statements-
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.
There is one school in APS that has an over 80% FARMS rate-- that is Carlin Springs.
http://www.pen.k12.va.us/support/nutrition/statistics/free_reduced_eligibility/2015-2016/schools/frpe_sch_report_sy2015-16.pdf
Now- lets look and see which of the 70 complexes with AH units are districted to Carlin Springs?
https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/ http://apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/legacy_assets/www/3334ac1ea7-ES_2016_Offical_Map_01222015.pdf
It appears that the only ones are;
the Fields of Arlington at 5100 S. 8th Road
Harvey Hall Apartments at 860 S. Greenbrier
Monterey Apartments also on S. Greenbrier
and the Shell on S. Greenbrier.
So that is 4 buildings out of 70-- hardly what I would call an intentional concentration of poverty.