I earned more than my husband, who was a teacher, but, he was a teacher with a master's degree (which I don't have), not a fast food worker. If we are both in our 30s and I am a professional and you are a fast food worker, yes, I am thinking, this person is not a match for me because while I spent the last 10-15 years building, he has been doing....what? And all the answers I have for that don't bode well for me wanting to date you -- prison, nothing, getting a GED and so on.

But you know all this, you're just hoping someone here will tell you something different.

I've never met a high-earning, educated man who dated a woman with less than a college education. Ever. Or vice versa. It might be different in the case of a blue-collar man who gets rich owning his own business, but lawyers do not date hot women who work in food service or retail, unless she is still in school. Most people marry someone similar to them in values, tastes, and lifestyle - career and income are wrapped up in the big picture. This is borne out by a number of studies. Like attracts like, even when it comes to similar levels of attractiveness.

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Ok then. So maybe you can answer: who does a Burger King employee date? Do fast food workers just tend to date other fast food workers?

Most fast food employees are young. The older ones obviously are not dating your typical DCUMer. Some of them are between jobs, have addiction issues, dealt with adversity, or are simply from a modest walk of life where having a modest job is nothing to be ashamed of.

I can't express enough how out of touch people in DC are. There is a whole world of people that make under $40k per year and don't consider themselves poor or losers. Many of you would be at a loss to live outside of the affluent cocoons of DC/Boston/NYC/SF etc.

But then who do fast food workers in DC date? And FWIW, $40K goes a lot further just about anywhere in the US than DC/Boston/NYC/SF.

OP here , honestly people that i see who are of age that work fastfood jobs usually date other " normal " to below wage people.i never seen a female doctor or female lawyer dating a manager at mcdonalds or a wal mart stocker.it would be cool to see it happen but alot of people judge off occupation before personality sadly.

You can have a great personality but if someone has spent the time and energy and has the drive to become a doctor or attorney, they may question why your efforts have only managed to get you to Burger King. You two likely don't have a lot of common interests either. And, honestly, if you want a doctor or attorney for a wife, then get yourself to a place where a doctor or attorney would consider you as a spouse.

Being willing to do what it takes to be an equal partner is important to me. If that means being a SAHD who runs the household and budget then great. If that means earing a high or low salary then great.

A guy who was unemployed for a prolonged period of time while we were dating would likely be a non starter for me but it has more to do with what that means than the fact that he isn't rich. I could never sit around doing nothing productive for months and don't think I would be compatible with someone who could

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is an excellent primer into why men should avoid ambitious professional women who will likely out earn them.

Yes, if their preference is to settle into poverty and mediocrity, they should avoid women who would expect more from a partner.

No, dummy.

If their preference is to be with someone who they can actually satisfy and who will appreciate them. Most women on DCUM would be very difficult to satisfy. Posters here casually demonstrate a sense of entitlement that borders on grotesque to people from elsewhere. Why bother with demanding women when you can easily find an equally attractive woman who is less demanding?

I understand now why men are "intimidated" by ambitious women.

OP here , pp you made some good points(lets refrain from name calling thougb).but like you said men are either intimidated or simply dont wanna be bothered by alot of women attitudes now.

So, if high-earning women are too entitled and demanding and you don't want to be bothered by their attitudes, it shouldn't bother you at all that they don't want to date you either, right? Why are you even asking this question instead of hitting on the girl who works the fryolator?

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Exactly. Head about 40 miles outside of the radius and you will find plenty of women who have no problem with Burger King guy...

You think a woman in Leesburg is going to be happy with a guy that works at BK? Ummmmm, I grew up in the Shenandoah Valley and a good job was working for the state or county. BK and Walmart was for losers who were going nowhere fast. We're not as low rent as your petty fantasies.

Ok then. So maybe you can answer: who does a Burger King employee date? Do fast food workers just tend to date other fast food workers?

They don't get married to each other, studies have shown that low income women do not see the need to marry low income men, "they can do bad on their own".

So true. I would add some guys don't want to get married if they feel like they can't financially support a family. Also, when couples do marry one of the top things that causes stress in the relationship has to do with arguments amount money. So basically if you are dating someone with an eye that it has the potential to lead to marriage someday, you would want to have a similar vision of the future. I met someone that he and his wife spent years traveling and earning enough to live, no real careers. Eventually he started a career as a tour guide and they had a young toddler. While that may not have worked for every woman , he found the person that lived life the same way he did and was a partner in that adventure.

So really it doesn't matter if salary/income is a deal breaker to most women, if that is where you are at, you have to find the person that is fine with that. My parents argued about money a lot and each wanted the other to do more. It was important to me to find someone that saw family finances the same way I did.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is an excellent primer into why men should avoid ambitious professional women who will likely out earn them.

Yes, if their preference is to settle into poverty and mediocrity, they should avoid women who would expect more from a partner.

No, dummy.

If their preference is to be with someone who they can actually satisfy and who will appreciate them. Most women on DCUM would be very difficult to satisfy. Posters here casually demonstrate a sense of entitlement that borders on grotesque to people from elsewhere. Why bother with demanding women when you can easily find an equally attractive woman who is less demanding?

I understand now why men are "intimidated" by ambitious women.

OP here , pp you made some good points(lets refrain from name calling thougb).but like you said men are either intimidated or simply dont wanna be bothered by alot of women attitudes now.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is an excellent primer into why men should avoid ambitious professional women who will likely out earn them.

Yes, if their preference is to settle into poverty and mediocrity, they should avoid women who would expect more from a partner.

No, dummy.

If their preference is to be with someone who they can actually satisfy and who will appreciate them. Most women on DCUM would be very difficult to satisfy. Posters here casually demonstrate a sense of entitlement that borders on grotesque to people from elsewhere. Why bother with demanding women when you can easily find an equally attractive woman who is less demanding?

I understand now why men are "intimidated" by ambitious women.

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Anonymous wrote:I make $640,000 and he makes $680,000. We are in the same field. My student loans were paid for by my parents.

We are even.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is an excellent primer into why men should avoid ambitious professional women who will likely out earn them.

+1

PP at 8:28 again. Also the fact that you haven't picked up on the fact that this is not your audience tells me you are very likely to go for women (not females) "out of your league" for lack of a better term, and not even realize it.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the time, when a guy is trying to figure out why he can't get women, it's because he:

1) Has a personality issue. Too angry, too self-centered, too insecure, no confidence, mommy's boy, etc

2) He keeps aiming out of his league. That woman who is an 8-9-10 looks wise is not going to date a guy who is a 3-4-5 looks wise unless he has high-status (like money). But a woman who is looks 3-4-5, will date you for exactly who you are.

So OP, ask yourself:
1) Have you taken care of your baggage and issues? Therapy, self-help, introspection, etc
2) Do you keep going after women who are out of your league?

OP here , i never said i cant get a woman lol i just simply said i cant be in a relationship with a particular female(we're sexually active just no official commitments).your first point i really have no problems with(my mother is deceased as well) number 2 nope either.

It might be number 2. Women also find some men good enough to sleep with/have fun with but not be with seriously.
Here's the thing, everyone has their own definition of what a 'regular' guy is based on their personal background. To some women, Burger King is a regular guy job. To most of the women on this forum it's not. You are really really not speaking to your audience here.