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Anonymous wrote:So much noise over an ineffective method. If your child is gifted and brilliant why worry over other children using ineffective methods to boost IQ and aptitude and ability. What's the fuss over others wasting their dollars as you claim. Get over it, read for pleasure, and eat your breakfast daily.

There are two categories of parents of gifted kids. First kind includes those parents that help their gifted kids fit in socially, prepare them for entry into advanced programs, prepare them to compete for academic excellence, and get the most out of what the school system offers. And the second kind are those parents who think their kid is a rare gifted kid, and are extremely insecure when they find out there are many other gifted kids who are better than theirs. This insecurity drives the second kind to grouch about the first kind.

I'd argue there's also a third category of parents with gifted kids who don't give a hoot about the tests and think AAP isn't worth the hassle, even if it might benefit their child.

I see your point. You believe providing public education has nothing in common to providing public health.

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So, I see "public health" is the red herring of the day, haha.

Sometimes an analogy (with context and history) helps those without reasoning ability come to grip with how policies and guidance are established at the Federal, State and County levels. Sorry for stretching you a little. I'll get back to the more familiar and appropriate Trump, Cruz, Carson, Rand, and Bush level of discourse.

Or, the "analogy" is thrown out in hopes of distracting the audience when one has a weak line of reasoning. Politicians have been doing this for ages, no matter the country or party.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want some entity or enterprise to find these people for your since you are not capable of seeking these people out yourself?

I don't want my daughter to be exposed to the same bullying for being smart that I was.

So, what? Your daughter would be bullied in gen ed? Wouldn't be bullied in AAP?

Anonymous wrote:So you want some entity or enterprise to find these people for your since you are not capable of seeking these people out yourself?

I don't want my daughter to be exposed to the same bullying for being smart that I was.

So you want some entity or enterprise to find these people for your since you are not capable of seeking these people out yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid with a very high IQ should not interfere with the pursuit of high performance by kids who have never measured their IQ, or even cared about IQ, but work and prep hard all the way to the top of the academic heap. This is a land of hard workers. At least this is what we are taught in American Studies. Our peoples have worked hard on the range, the farm , the classroom, at home, in prep parlors and on the athletic fields. Do you have a problem with this?

I have no problem at all with this. But, if you don't understand the psychology behind kids/people with very high IQs don't comment like you do. I don't care about IQ's either, but when you have a chid that is on either the very low or very high side of intelligence, it presents with other challenges. Parents on this board speak to this issue without knowing what they are talking about. Sadly AAP is not a gifted program and these kids are left with little or the inappropriate resources. In addition, the aap program has created this craziness of competition to gain "bragging rights" about kids being in the program. They should up their game in the ten ed classes and keep the special eds classes just that - special ed for those who truly need different support.

Yes, so sad that your child's intelligence is so high as to be incapacitating. But bickering on the internet does nothing to help. You must be aware that resources are available for special cases such as IEP or 504 plans. Demand the one-on-one special education your child needs. Fill out a general referral and see what happens. Those with children on the lower end know this and use it to their advantage. By law, the school has to take a serious look at your request.

I hear these comments all the time. I have yet to see a child like this, however, who NEEDS such specialized instruction. My kid has an IQ of 145 and I don't feel like she's this amazing thing that is suffering in a class with a bunch of dolts in AAP. She's doing fine. Yes, she's had better years than others but to make it sound like your kid is floundering because the program is so dumbed down that he sits there solving equations in his head of the number of tiles on the ceiling divided by .24 is ridiculous.

This. I am going to say this. I am a genius. My IQ has been measured at about 150. I am not a Mensa member, as I don't need to be in an organization to be around smart people; rather I work with other smart people. I can also function with more mundane people. You know what I did today? I took a nap and watched some football. Normal things. Why? I am part of society. My intelligence makes me smarter and allows me to earn decent money, but it does not make me better.

My intelligence does not make me happy -- if anything it is a burden, as you can see how stupid some people are (aka, 1/2 of this thread, trump supporters, etc).

And, my earning potential is somewhat limited, as I am not particularly good at reading people.

I was not in GT growing up, as it did not exist.

Now, my response is the issue is not the teaching style, it is to be around other smart kids, such that the kids have peer pressure to be smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid with a very high IQ should not interfere with the pursuit of high performance by kids who have never measured their IQ, or even cared about IQ, but work and prep hard all the way to the top of the academic heap. This is a land of hard workers. At least this is what we are taught in American Studies. Our peoples have worked hard on the range, the farm , the classroom, at home, in prep parlors and on the athletic fields. Do you have a problem with this?

I have no problem at all with this. But, if you don't understand the psychology behind kids/people with very high IQs don't comment like you do. I don't care about IQ's either, but when you have a chid that is on either the very low or very high side of intelligence, it presents with other challenges. Parents on this board speak to this issue without knowing what they are talking about. Sadly AAP is not a gifted program and these kids are left with little or the inappropriate resources. In addition, the aap program has created this craziness of competition to gain "bragging rights" about kids being in the program. They should up their game in the ten ed classes and keep the special eds classes just that - special ed for those who truly need different support.

Yes, so sad that your child's intelligence is so high as to be incapacitating. But bickering on the internet does nothing to help. You must be aware that resources are available for special cases such as IEP or 504 plans. Demand the one-on-one special education your child needs. Fill out a general referral and see what happens. Those with children on the lower end know this and use it to their advantage. By law, the school has to take a serious look at your request.

I hear these comments all the time. I have yet to see a child like this, however, who NEEDS such specialized instruction. My kid has an IQ of 145 and I don't feel like she's this amazing thing that is suffering in a class with a bunch of dolts in AAP. She's doing fine. Yes, she's had better years than others but to make it sound like your kid is floundering because the program is so dumbed down that he sits there solving equations in his head of the number of tiles on the ceiling divided by .24 is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid with a very high IQ should not interfere with the pursuit of high performance by kids who have never measured their IQ, or even cared about IQ, but work and prep hard all the way to the top of the academic heap. This is a land of hard workers. At least this is what we are taught in American Studies. Our peoples have worked hard on the range, the farm , the classroom, at home, in prep parlors and on the athletic fields. Do you have a problem with this?

I have no problem at all with this. But, if you don't understand the psychology behind kids/people with very high IQs don't comment like you do. I don't care about IQ's either, but when you have a chid that is on either the very low or very high side of intelligence, it presents with other challenges. Parents on this board speak to this issue without knowing what they are talking about. Sadly AAP is not a gifted program and these kids are left with little or the inappropriate resources. In addition, the aap program has created this craziness of competition to gain "bragging rights" about kids being in the program. They should up their game in the ten ed classes and keep the special eds classes just that - special ed for those who truly need different support.

Yes, so sad that your child's intelligence is so high as to be incapacitating. But bickering on the internet does nothing to help. You must be aware that resources are available for special cases such as IEP or 504 plans. Demand the one-on-one special education your child needs. Fill out a general referral and see what happens. Those with children on the lower end know this and use it to their advantage. By law, the school has to take a serious look at your request.

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I would like to see broad differentiation filter down to elementary schools. Because Level II, III and local IV are not cutting it for many.

Chances are your and my child would stiil be in the same level and you still wouldn't be happy.

Why wouldn't I be. If there was a smaller, differentiated level and both our kids were there, so what.

I don't know that American public anything, much less education, will take care of people at the outer tail ends of the distribution. We are not Norway or a socialized society or system therefore it is difficult to imagine public education doing the best for those at either tail end of the distribution. It's a laudable goal however Americans would have to radically alter their philosophy and how they do business as a community and society. I will not hold my breath.

So, I see "public health" is the red herring of the day, haha.

Yeah, public health, public education, public welfare (social security)...what and who pays for it? All red herrings!

Public "test prep" doesn't have this problem as the private sector for the most part is paying for this. Sounds like the all-American way.

... signed NRA

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Your kid with a very high IQ should not interfere with the pursuit of high performance by kids who have never measured their IQ, or even cared about IQ, but work and prep hard all the way to the top of the academic heap. This is a land of hard workers. At least this is what we are taught in American Studies. Our peoples have worked hard on the range, the farm , the classroom, at home, in prep parlors and on the athletic fields. Do you have a problem with this?


10:33. My position is that differentiation should cover the entire range of abilities from severe learning disabilities to exceptionally high abilities. I don't care if all labels of levels were stripped off (incl. AAP). Then those with exceptional abilities can have a smaller program like before and the next tier can have a specialized program and so on and so forth.

Like public health in the US do you expect the public schools in DC to provide this concierge education catered to a tier system of descending exceptional ability?

They have the funds to do this and already do to a degree. The problem is that they have opened the door to DC that don't need additional services into aap to sastify the balking parents who feel slighted that their kid doesn't have a label.

I would like to see broad differentiation filter down to elementary schools. Because Level II, III and local IV are not cutting it for many.

Chances are your and my child would stiil be in the same level and you still wouldn't be happy.

Anonymous wrote:Your kid with a very high IQ should not interfere with the pursuit of high performance by kids who have never measured their IQ, or even cared about IQ, but work and prep hard all the way to the top of the academic heap. This is a land of hard workers. At least this is what we are taught in American Studies. Our peoples have worked hard on the range, the farm , the classroom, at home, in prep parlors and on the athletic fields. Do you have a problem with this?

I have no problem at all with this. But, if you don't understand the psychology behind kids/people with very high IQs don't comment like you do. I don't care about IQ's either, but when you have a chid that is on either the very low or very high side of intelligence, it presents with other challenges. Parents on this board speak to this issue without knowing what they are talking about. Sadly AAP is not a gifted program and these kids are left with little or the inappropriate resources. In addition, the aap program has created this craziness of competition to gain "bragging rights" about kids being in the program. They should up their game in the ten ed classes and keep the special eds classes just that - special ed for those who truly need different support.