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[the "five-point plan"]
Mike Damone: First of all Rat, you never let on how much you like a girl. "Oh, Debbie. Hi." Two, you always call the shots. "Kiss me. You won't regret it." Now three, act like wherever you are, that's the place to be. "Isn't this great?" Four, when ordering food, you find out what she wants, then order for the both of you. It's a classy move. "Now, the lady will have the linguini and white clam sauce, and a Coke with no ice." And five, now this is the most important, Rat. When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

Mike Damone is the patron saint of PUAs.

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[the "five-point plan"]
Mike Damone: First of all Rat, you never let on how much you like a girl. "Oh, Debbie. Hi." Two, you always call the shots. "Kiss me. You won't regret it." Now three, act like wherever you are, that's the place to be. "Isn't this great?" Four, when ordering food, you find out what she wants, then order for the both of you. It's a classy move. "Now, the lady will have the linguini and white clam sauce, and a Coke with no ice." And five, now this is the most important, Rat. When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

I have a fun story for you about this. One of these guys once told me that I wasn't as pretty as the girls he usually dated, but he was willing to give me a shot because I was smart and interesting. (WTF? I am not a 10 but am decent looking. He dated blonde cheerleader only types though. His equals, I guess.)

I fucked him for about a month and then dumped him and never really spoke to him again. I thought that he wouldn't be invested in it either, we were just having fun. Apparently he thought lowering his standards meant some great life changing difference. He had my IM and phone number and would call and message me crying VMs for YEARS, I kid you not. So apparently they sometimes do want a relationship with us ugly people. We have mutual friends so I know he was still A total philanderer all that time. Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

I have a fun story for you about this. One of these guys once told me that I wasn't as pretty as the girls he usually dated, but he was willing to give me a shot because I was smart and interesting. (WTF? I am not a 10 but am decent looking. He dated blonde cheerleader only types though. His equals, I guess.)

I fucked him for about a month and then dumped him and never really spoke to him again. I thought that he wouldn't be invested in it either, we were just having fun. Apparently he thought lowering his standards meant some great life changing difference. He had my IM and phone number and would call and message me crying VMs for YEARS, I kid you not. So apparently they sometimes do want a relationship with us ugly people. We have mutual friends so I know he was still A total philanderer all that time. Weird.

PP here-- before the guys jump on me, I probably ought to say if I had known he would react that way I never would have slept with him at all. I am not an asshole, anyway. I just figured this was like all his other revolving relationships, he knew I was leaving town after grad school in a few months so he ought to have known there was no future in it. Believed me when I told him so and all.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

I have a fun story for you about this. One of these guys once told me that I wasn't as pretty as the girls he usually dated, but he was willing to give me a shot because I was smart and interesting. (WTF? I am not a 10 but am decent looking. He dated blonde cheerleader only types though. His equals, I guess.)

I fucked him for about a month and then dumped him and never really spoke to him again. I thought that he wouldn't be invested in it either, we were just having fun. Apparently he thought lowering his standards meant some great life changing difference. He had my IM and phone number and would call and message me crying VMs for YEARS, I kid you not. So apparently they sometimes do want a relationship with us ugly people. We have mutual friends so I know he was still A total philanderer all that time. Weird.

So, this guy uses negs and gets to have sex with blonde cheerleaders and you? Maybe "treating women respectfully" isn't quite the ticket.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

I have a fun story for you about this. One of these guys once told me that I wasn't as pretty as the girls he usually dated, but he was willing to give me a shot because I was smart and interesting. (WTF? I am not a 10 but am decent looking. He dated blonde cheerleader only types though. His equals, I guess.)

I fucked him for about a month and then dumped him and never really spoke to him again. I thought that he wouldn't be invested in it either, we were just having fun. Apparently he thought lowering his standards meant some great life changing difference. He had my IM and phone number and would call and message me crying VMs for YEARS, I kid you not. So apparently they sometimes do want a relationship with us ugly people. We have mutual friends so I know he was still A total philanderer all that time. Weird.

PP here-- before the guys jump on me, I probably ought to say if I had known he would react that way I never would have slept with him at all. I am not an asshole, anyway. I just figured this was like all his other revolving relationships, he knew I was leaving town after grad school in a few months so he ought to have known there was no future in it. Believed me when I told him so and all.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

I have a fun story for you about this. One of these guys once told me that I wasn't as pretty as the girls he usually dated, but he was willing to give me a shot because I was smart and interesting. (WTF? I am not a 10 but am decent looking. He dated blonde cheerleader only types though. His equals, I guess.)

I fucked him for about a month and then dumped him and never really spoke to him again. I thought that he wouldn't be invested in it either, we were just having fun. Apparently he thought lowering his standards meant some great life changing difference. He had my IM and phone number and would call and message me crying VMs for YEARS, I kid you not. So apparently they sometimes do want a relationship with us ugly people. We have mutual friends so I know he was still A total philanderer all that time. Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

I have a fun story for you about this. One of these guys once told me that I wasn't as pretty as the girls he usually dated, but he was willing to give me a shot because I was smart and interesting. (WTF? I am not a 10 but am decent looking. He dated blonde cheerleader only types though. His equals, I guess.)

I fucked him for about a month and then dumped him and never really spoke to him again. I thought that he wouldn't be invested in it either, we were just having fun. Apparently he thought lowering his standards meant some great life changing difference. He had my IM and phone number and would call and message me crying VMs for YEARS, I kid you not. So apparently they sometimes do want a relationship with us ugly people. We have mutual friends so I know he was still A total philanderer all that time. Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

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Anonymous wrote:^These dumb men actually think that shit works.

So a guy may something like (for example) "your face is so beautiful even though your nose is a bit big", or whatever.

I love turning to them and being like "Was that a neg?"

And maybe following it up by asking which pick-up artist books they've read. I've read a couple, so I know all the tricks.

I love how you phrased that.

You left the comma out of the quotes and put the question mark inside though

I'd like to think the PUA folks have strategeries on how to deal with "smarks" (smart marks) who can identify their strategies. On the other hand I suspect that <10% of women (and an equally small share of men) are really aware of the PUA "movement" and techniques.

Unfortunately for them I don't think they do. They always get this look of shock/horror, how I would imagine someone's face would look if their pants suddenly fell down in public to reveal their underwear.

Sometimes they get really angry and kind of huff off, sometimes they get apologetic/ashamed, and sometimes they try to kind of laugh it off and engage me in an awkward discussion of PUA books.

Either way, it's hilarious and a win win for me.

I hope and pray that a PUA will approach me every time I'm in a bar. Humiliating them is one of the great joys of life.

Enjoy plucking the wings off of those silly flies while you still can.

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Anonymous wrote:^These dumb men actually think that shit works.

So a guy may something like (for example) "your face is so beautiful even though your nose is a bit big", or whatever.

I love turning to them and being like "Was that a neg?"

And maybe following it up by asking which pick-up artist books they've read. I've read a couple, so I know all the tricks.

I love how you phrased that.

You left the comma out of the quotes and put the question mark inside though

I'd like to think the PUA folks have strategeries on how to deal with "smarks" (smart marks) who can identify their strategies. On the other hand I suspect that <10% of women (and an equally small share of men) are really aware of the PUA "movement" and techniques.

Unfortunately for them I don't think they do. They always get this look of shock/horror, how I would imagine someone's face would look if their pants suddenly fell down in public to reveal their underwear.

Sometimes they get really angry and kind of huff off, sometimes they get apologetic/ashamed, and sometimes they try to kind of laugh it off and engage me in an awkward discussion of PUA books.

Either way, it's hilarious and a win win for me.

I hope and pray that a PUA will approach me every time I'm in a bar. Humiliating them is one of the great joys of life.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Are you fourteen? You seem to have entirely misunderstood my question.

I did not ask how you get women to bed.

I asked how you would conduct yourself with a woman you did want to talk to again, someone who made you feel happy, safe, capable. Would you still insult and "fuck" those women? Or is the idea of a long term relationship abhorrent to you generally?

Do you have any appreciation for what a good woman can do for your life? And vice versa?

Depends, there are two sort of related tracks a relationship can go down, the "very serious, leading to marriage or extreme long-term cohabitation" track and the "happy to kill time with this woman, and will gladly have her move in so he has a maid and has sex" track.

If you want to see them again, then you'd make the carrot a reality and disengage if she starts getting lazy/comfortable but expecting "new relationship" quality of attention. You might delay the initiation of full sex as well as there's a set of women happy to give it up quickly for a guy they don't really like but content to make a guy they claim to like wait for a longer period.

Presumably you keep your roving eye at rest or if it's a girl you're happy to kill time with but don't really want to be serious about, you wait until she goes out of town and avoid hitting on her friends (first).

If a woman's into a guy (both in having sufficient initial attraction and in liking how the relationship is going) the initial neg won't matter provided the guy can avoid making little digs over the course of the relationship. If he can't then the relationship is doomed.

I suspect at least some of the PUA artists would have a section devoted to the obtaining and maintaining of relationships, but without that initial spark/chemistry, the obtaining bit is hard to do.

I have also noticed many women get extremely uncomfortable about the dissection of the art and science of the obtaining and maintaining of relationships. Apparently, it's just supposed to happen. (Granted, for the 16-30 y/o women it does just happen.)

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Anonymous wrote:^These dumb men actually think that shit works.

So a guy may something like (for example) "your face is so beautiful even though your nose is a bit big", or whatever.

I love turning to them and being like "Was that a neg?"

And maybe following it up by asking which pick-up artist books they've read. I've read a couple, so I know all the tricks.

I love how you phrased that.

You left the comma out of the quotes and put the question mark inside though

I'd like to think the PUA folks have strategeries on how to deal with "smarks" (smart marks) who can identify their strategies. On the other hand I suspect that <10% of women (and an equally small share of men) are really aware of the PUA "movement" and techniques.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^These dumb men actually think that shit works.

So a guy may something like (for example) "your face is so beautiful even though your nose is a bit big", or whatever.

I love turning to them and being like "Was that a neg?"

And maybe following it up by asking which pick-up artist books they've read. I've read a couple, so I know all the tricks.

I love how you phrased that.

You left the comma out of the quotes and put the question mark inside though

I'd like to think the PUA folks have strategeries on how to deal with "smarks" (smart marks) who can identify their strategies. On the other hand I suspect that <10% of women (and an equally small share of men) are really aware of the PUA "movement" and techniques.