Anonymous wrote:I don't see how any black person could feel welcome living in the state, doing business with the state, or getting justice in the state w the flag looming over the Capitol, never to be lowered in respect.
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What an idiotic statement given millions of blacks live there, and quite alright.

I don't see how any black person could feel welcome living in the state, doing business with the state, or getting justice in the state w the flag looming over the Capitol, never to be lowered in respect.

It's like leaving a "No coloreds" sign in a restaurant for old times sake but saying "Oh, just never mind the sign, of course you're welcome here."

I think the federal government should make laws to protect US citizens from state bias and discrimination. States should only be allowed to display the U.S. flag and official state flag. Of course, how many states would then try to change their flag.

IT saddens me that there's any discussion about this. We, as a nation, are better than this.

Anonymous wrote:It's not just SC that believes in the confederate flag, some small towns in Georgia display the flags visibly on clothing and residences. You either deal with it or move further north.

Just watch the HBO documentary Southern Rites and you will see for yourself.

Yeah I marched through one in the mid 80s. Hard to believe it would be necessary in the 80s. But there we were, and on the other side was the flag and the klan. I think david duke showed.

It's not just SC that believes in the confederate flag, some small towns in Georgia display the flags visibly on clothing and residences. You either deal with it or move further north.

Just watch the HBO documentary Southern Rites and you will see for yourself.

That poster who was defending the confederate flag seemed emotionally disturbed. Basically people like that are paranoid schizophrenia. That PP has probably spent YEARS "studying" his "subject" and coming up with facile responses to arguments he's heard hundreds of times. When guys like that PP get too far lost in their delusions, really bad things can happen. Fortunately most are just harmless cranks but not always. The bottom line is that flag is a deliberate racist symbol. That's what it means and it's all that it means, period. It doesn't stand for a brave and noble lost cause. It's always stood for pure stupidity. It's always stood for a horrible war for a worthless "cause"-- slavery--because southern leaders didn't care about slaves and they didn't care about their own sons, they led them to horrible slaughter against the North.

People like PP defending that flag and all those in favor of it are just doubling and tripling down in delusional stupidity. These guys aren't simply racists--they're mentally disturbed people who latch onto a racist world view to provide focus to their pre-existing mental illness. It didn't even have to be racism either. If PP had happened to latch onto something else to obsessively focus on it could have been anything like John Lennon or Jodi Foster.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

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A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

So that's your criteria? A set number of people have to be killed by an institution, to make it evil? Columbia, SC native here again. The only way that state is ever going to move forward is for folks like you to recognize that the WAR IS OVER and was, 150 years ago. It has zero to do with ANYTHING going on in the state at this time. The State House is a vibrant (by Columbia standards, anyway) area in the heart of downtown, with living, breathing people going there every day to influence and debate issues that are truly relevant to 2015. To have this stupid memorial front and center there is absurd.

A lot of folks died fighting for the confederacy. It's part of our history. Erasing symbols of it allows it to disappear from people's minds. You want history repeated? Go ahead and bury it.

First of all, the folks who died fighting for the confederacy were total idiots. If we knew them today, they would be the reddest of the necks. There were a very few extremely wealthy slaveholders and thousands who did their bidding by giving their lives for this stupid "cause," which was nothing more than keeping the money in extremely upper class hands. (And I say this as the descendent of several who took up arms for the south.) Yes, it is all part of our history and I agree that it should not be buried. It should be studied, talked about in schools, etc as it currently is. It should not, however, be celebrated by being memorialized on the state house grounds.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

So that's your criteria? A set number of people have to be killed by an institution, to make it evil? Columbia, SC native here again. The only way that state is ever going to move forward is for folks like you to recognize that the WAR IS OVER and was, 150 years ago. It has zero to do with ANYTHING going on in the state at this time. The State House is a vibrant (by Columbia standards, anyway) area in the heart of downtown, with living, breathing people going there every day to influence and debate issues that are truly relevant to 2015. To have this stupid memorial front and center there is absurd.

A lot of folks died fighting for the confederacy. It's part of our history. Erasing symbols of it allows it to disappear from people's minds. You want history repeated? Go ahead and bury it.

We don't have to erase it. It belongs in a museum.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

So that's your criteria? A set number of people have to be killed by an institution, to make it evil? Columbia, SC native here again. The only way that state is ever going to move forward is for folks like you to recognize that the WAR IS OVER and was, 150 years ago. It has zero to do with ANYTHING going on in the state at this time. The State House is a vibrant (by Columbia standards, anyway) area in the heart of downtown, with living, breathing people going there every day to influence and debate issues that are truly relevant to 2015. To have this stupid memorial front and center there is absurd.

A lot of folks died fighting for the confederacy. It's part of our history. Erasing symbols of it allows it to disappear from people's minds. You want history repeated? Go ahead and bury it.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

So that's your criteria? A set number of people have to be killed by an institution, to make it evil? Columbia, SC native here again. The only way that state is ever going to move forward is for folks like you to recognize that the WAR IS OVER and was, 150 years ago. It has zero to do with ANYTHING going on in the state at this time. The State House is a vibrant (by Columbia standards, anyway) area in the heart of downtown, with living, breathing people going there every day to influence and debate issues that are truly relevant to 2015. To have this stupid memorial front and center there is absurd.

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and this whole rewriting of history by the winners is amazing to me. The southern states waned to be independent, just like US wanted to be independent from Britain just a hundred years prior. Americans won, so they are heroes. Southerners lost, so they are traitors, right?

And don't kid yourself - the North did not go to war to free the slaves. Lincoln did not give a flying f&#k about them. In fact, in his inaguration speech he assured the South that they would get to keep their slaves. Lincoln cared about power, and a divided America would not be as powerful, so Lincoln proceeded to burn the South to the ground to get what he wanted.

Politicians lie including Lincoln. He bullshitted the stupid southerners he wasn't go to free the slaves and then he turned right around and freed them. They should have called him DIShonest Abe.

You're an immigrant PP? Where from, Rhodesia?

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

12.5 million were shipped from Africa, but only 10.7 million made it alive to the US. So there's 2 million right there. And then there's the fact that 10.5 million of them and generations of their children died in slavery, you moron.

There's something I don't understand. If live was so idyllic in Africa, and so horrible in the US, why didn't millions of freed AAs go back to Africa after the Civil War? And what about today, when travel is so easy, and when holding an American passport is the ultimate global privilege?

After all, given the Nazi analogy PP makes, that's precisely why Israel was created and why so many people moved there. What makes AAs just talk, and not walk the talk?

So, that's a polite way of saying that we did them a favor by enslaving them? Try that one out on your black friends, at work. Let me know how it goes.

No one did a favor to the actual slaves. But it is obvious that, through the accidents of history, most blacks living today would rather be in the US than in Africa. So, indeed, they should be quite grateful for the sacrifice made by their ancestors, and for the country they were born into.

Anonymous wrote:How about we burn some confederate flags? That would be cathartic.

How about we wipe our ass with that flag? Free speech yo.

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Anonymous wrote:It is weird that it is flown anywhere outside of private residences. It was the flag of a rebellious treason in the USA. It represents an oppressive regime that sold and purchased black bodies.

What is "rebellious treason" to you can be considered "a quest for independence" by others.

A flag is nothing but a symbol, and of course different people can perceive the same flag in different ways. The Confederate Battle Flag is no exception.

OK fine let's pay em in confederate money then.

Whoever decided to fly the fuckin confederate flag over a state capitol is a fuckin moron. Aside from the fact that those rebel dog fuckers lost the civil war, it makes about as much sense as flying the jolly roger or the maple leaf over the state capitol building.

I mean just how damn stupid can people be? Pretty stupid I guess. Do the state legislators who voted to fly that LOSER flag over their capitol accept confederate money when they get their paycheck? Of course not because it's worthless, bankrupt, defeated, just like their stupid racist loser-flag. It's not a battle flag, it's a surrender flag.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

12.5 million were shipped from Africa, but only 10.7 million made it alive to the US. So there's 2 million right there. And then there's the fact that 10.5 million of them and generations of their children died in slavery, you moron.

And didn't some of their fellow black men help capture and ship them over? Died in slavery? Do you mean starved to death? Or lived their lives in slavery?

And what about South America? Is South Carolina responsible for that as well? Careful now...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/18/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-slave-trade-caused-5-million-deaths/

And we wonder about racism. Wow. I cannot even believe you are going here. You are an ignorant moron and I feel sorry for your kids. PP, please read a book - if you can read that is.

I see, you don't like fact. Sorry about that.

the fact is that none of that excuses enslaving six million people. That is a fact.