Anonymous
04/04/2015 21:16
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
It seems like the parents who say they are waiting for the scores to go up before they send their kids to Hardy are really saying - they're more influenced by gossip and innuendo than they are by statistics and common sense.
Perhaps they recognize that the emperor has no clothes. The percentage of white kids scoring "advanced" is much higher at Deal than Hardy.
http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=405,246
Thank you! I had asked OP for this analysis, with no response so far.
Those results debunk this whole thread. The proportion of white kids who score advanced at deal is essentially double than hardy, both in reading and math. Over 50% vs 27%. Over 70% vs 42%. That's certainly not peanuts. And parents notice.
And what do parents determine? That Hardy will not be good enough for their kids until the scores go up, but the scores won't go up until kids like theirs go to Hardy, therefore they will keep waiting, complaining about the scores, sending their kids to private for middle school, if they can't do Deal, then to Wilson for high school where kids like theirs are mingling with Hardy kids and kids from all over DC, but somehow it's OK now.
I predict OP will be back -- but let's give him a break for tonight.
Parents, everywhere, determine that they don't like being manipulated about what is best for their kids. If there is a credible and solid plan and leadership team to improve certain school, a good number of them may opt in. But misleading conclusions based on faulty analysis is certainly not the same as a credible and solid plan. OP seems to be a great and very capable guy...but may have drank too much political kool aid.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 21:05
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
It seems like the parents who say they are waiting for the scores to go up before they send their kids to Hardy are really saying - they're more influenced by gossip and innuendo than they are by statistics and common sense.
Perhaps they recognize that the emperor has no clothes. The percentage of white kids scoring "advanced" is much higher at Deal than Hardy.
http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=405,246
Thank you! I had asked OP for this analysis, with no response so far.
Those results debunk this whole thread. The proportion of white kids who score advanced at deal is essentially double than hardy, both in reading and math. Over 50% vs 27%. Over 70% vs 42%. That's certainly not peanuts. And parents notice.
And what do parents determine? That Hardy will not be good enough for their kids until the scores go up, but the scores won't go up until kids like theirs go to Hardy, therefore they will keep waiting, complaining about the scores, sending their kids to private for middle school, if they can't do Deal, then to Wilson for high school where kids like theirs are mingling with Hardy kids and kids from all over DC, but somehow it's OK now.
I predict OP will be back -- but let's give him a break for tonight.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 20:54
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
It seems like the parents who say they are waiting for the scores to go up before they send their kids to Hardy are really saying - they're more influenced by gossip and innuendo than they are by statistics and common sense.
Perhaps they recognize that the emperor has no clothes. The percentage of white kids scoring "advanced" is much higher at Deal than Hardy.
http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=405,246
Thank you! I had asked OP for this analysis, with no response so far.
Those results debunk this whole thread. The proportion of white kids who score advanced at deal is essentially double than hardy, both in reading and math. Over 50% vs 27%. Over 70% vs 42%. That's certainly not peanuts. And parents notice.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 20:41
Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I totally have a crush on OP.
I bet he is dreamy in real life.
OP, before this goes on too long, can you clear up with the ladies whether or not you are a man?
OP here.
Yes, I am a man. Married, two kids and an awesome dog.
While I find the comments flattering, you should know my wife says I lack -- entirely -- all semblances of empathy.
So OP is man, married (demanding wife), two kids and one dog. Works either at the IMF, World Bank (I'd exclude the IADB for several reasons), US Treasury, Board of Federal Reserve or Dept. of Economics at Georgetown, AU or GW. Went to work early on 4/2 and was seen crunching numbers early in the morning. Any other clues?
Anonymous
04/04/2015 19:52
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
It seems like the parents who say they are waiting for the scores to go up before they send their kids to Hardy are really saying - they're more influenced by gossip and innuendo than they are by statistics and common sense.
Perhaps they recognize that the emperor has no clothes. The percentage of white kids scoring "advanced" is much higher at Deal than Hardy.
tha
http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=405,246
Is there really a concern that if your already advanced kids went to Hardy, their scores would fall? Or is it more likely that their very presence would improve the advanced percentage? Do you think that when your kids move from either middle school to Wilson, they they will be negatively affected by the lower scoring students from around the city?
Anonymous
04/04/2015 19:21
Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I totally have a crush on OP.
I bet he is dreamy in real life.
OP, before this goes on too long, can you clear up with the ladies whether or not you are a man?
OP here.
Yes, I am a man. Married, two kids and an awesome dog.
While I find the comments flattering, you should know my wife says I lack -- entirely -- all semblances of empathy.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 17:30
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
It seems like the parents who say they are waiting for the scores to go up before they send their kids to Hardy are really saying - they're more influenced by gossip and innuendo than they are by statistics and common sense.
Perhaps they recognize that the emperor has no clothes. The percentage of white kids scoring "advanced" is much higher at Deal than Hardy.
http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=405,246
Ouch. OP is just the latest to advise that the school is improving, and at a rate that means OP won't "have to move or pay" to get the best of what is possible within a weaker school system. But the kids associated with posters like OP disappear mysteriously before 6th grade. See school year 2014-15.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 17:01
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
It seems like the parents who say they are waiting for the scores to go up before they send their kids to Hardy are really saying - they're more influenced by gossip and innuendo than they are by statistics and common sense.
Perhaps they recognize that the emperor has no clothes. The percentage of white kids scoring "advanced" is much higher at Deal than Hardy.
http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=405,246
Anonymous
04/04/2015 15:03
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
It seems like the parents who say they are waiting for the scores to go up before they send their kids to Hardy are really saying - they're more influenced by gossip and innuendo than they are by statistics and common sense.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 14:52
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:iAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, thank you for this analysis.
It rings true in our cause - our white, relatively high income student attended Hardy and did great there, and is now attending Wilson where DC is at the same (or higher) academic level than DCs white, relatively high income peers who attended Deal.
Yes, but how did you deal with the judgmental looks from neighbors and friends when you told them that your kid goes to Hardy?
I am not sure if you are joking.. Or not.... I am an IB Hardy parent and can tell you that when I tell 6th grade parents, who are often strangled by private tuitions (and sometimes unhappy about their school) about my DC's experience at Hardy in the current 6th grade, I do not see judgment, I see the glimpse of doubt of the type "maybe I should have looked better into that school .." Actually I saw this also with Basis parents.... Don't know anyone who's fully satisfied with that school.
Sorry for iPhone typos
I am happy to hear this -- it means the tide is turning.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 14:49
Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I totally have a crush on OP.
I bet he is dreamy in real life.
OP, before this goes on too long, can you clear up with the ladies whether or not you are a man?
Anonymous
04/04/2015 13:35
Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:I totally have a crush on OP.
I bet he is dreamy in real life.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 11:46
Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:See this shows how stoopid economists are. They don't understand the important things in life, like school uniforms, they think it is all about test scores and academics.
Suppose my kid comes home wearing a uniform, and my neighbor sees it. They will think my kid goes to a ghetto school. I am supposed to start telling them about standard deviations and confounding variables?
Really? If you wear a uniform people will think your kid goes to a ghetto school? Are you kidding?
Are you new here? This is a famously repeated reason that some posters give for not sending their DC to Hardy and other assorted schools.
Not PP, but I AM new here, and I think this is hilarious. I LOVE the school uniform. My kids are in private schools now that require uniforms, and it removes so many issues--no fights over outfits with mom and dad, no competition at school between students, no kids singled out for having more or less than others, no distractions. I love it when I am researching a DC school and find it requires them. I think they should be mandatory everywhere.
Anonymous
04/04/2015 11:22
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:Me too, find OP very sexy.
There's a thread for that
Anonymous
04/04/2015 11:22
Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:I am delighted to see all the statistics backing up the point that I perceive as so obvious: The more IB parents families their kids to Hardy, the more scores at Hardy will start reflecting IB families.
What is hard to understand about this? Nothing -- except there have been other psych/perception forces at work over the last few years that have clouded even the most logical/statistical minds.
The fact that Deal went through a similar transformation just a few years ago should make the decision easier for IB families.
Families at the Hardy feeders need to get together. Does anyone have a feel for whether groups like @W3EdNet
can help build momentum for the school?