Anonymous
04/03/2015 07:13
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.
Parenthood is not procreation.
Parenthood may be your purpose for marriage. It is not the state's.
Of course procreation is the purpose for Marriage. See DOMA and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
DOMA mentions nothing about procreation.
Anonymous
04/03/2015 07:12
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.
Parenthood is not procreation.
Parenthood may be your purpose for marriage. It is not the state's.
Of course procreation is the purpose for Marriage. See DOMA and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Then we have failed to secure our marital borders. Because I have seen seventy-year old women getting married.
Anonymous
04/03/2015 07:04
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.
Parenthood is not procreation.
Parenthood may be your purpose for marriage. It is not the state's.
Of course procreation is the purpose for Marriage. See DOMA and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 20:09
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.
Parenthood is not procreation.
Parenthood may be your purpose for marriage. It is not the state's.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 18:34
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.
Parenthood is not procreation.
Shockingly, the court does not require fertility tests to marry. Also, it marries post menopausal women.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 17:25
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
What if he's a closeted gay?
Anonymous
04/02/2015 17:19
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.
Parenthood is not procreation.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 17:18
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
jsteele wrote:Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.Anonymous wrote:Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.Anonymous wrote:If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?Anonymous wrote:Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
Nor is parenthood the only goal of intercourse. Very far from it, in my experience.
jsteele
04/02/2015 16:02
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Shockingly, intercourse is not and has never been the only path to parenthood.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 15:56
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Every same sex Union is sterile- by design.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 15:46
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
If the man is sterile does it invalidate the polygamist's marriages?
Anonymous
04/02/2015 15:17
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Polygamy is a procreative union; same sex marriage is not.
jsteele
04/02/2015 10:47
Subject: stop comparing gay marriage and acceptance to race, only gay stuff is documented as wrong
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:
The consensus you mention exists only within a specific context. The posters to whom I was replying were describing wider contexts. Speaking of context, these discussions take place within them. Quoting previous messages helps clarify that context. The very first quote included in this post says, "you overturned the definition of marriage that has predated Christendom." That quote is what I am discussing. You are welcome to discuss that topic as well, but you seem to want to discuss something different.
Well that quote is true, too. You have yet to point to any examples of same sex marriage being accepted in practiced in any remotely relevant cultural or religious tradition (including those pre-dating Christendom), trying to hang your hat on polygamy. Jesus' revolutionary theology did not include or extend to two guys @ Cana.
Polygamy is an example of marriage that does not meet the "traditional" (as defined by you and the earlier poster) definition of marriage. The fact that polygamy has a longer history than monogamy and still exists today exposes the quote as false.
When we are discussing traditions that pre-dated Christianity, what Jesus' theology did or did not include is hardly relevant.
Whether same-sex marriages existed in Greco-Roman times gets wrapped up in discussions of what exactly is considered a marriage, but certainly same-sex marriage equivalents existed. I wonder what cultures you consider "remotely relevant"?
God you are mental. The prior post said that no traditional understanding of marriage included same sex unions. Polygamy is not a same sex union. Nobody has ever denied the existence of polygamy as a fringe union. Gay marriage advocates have typically taken the provision that the extension of same sex marriage rights will not bring polygamy back to this Country.
I really think you need mental help.
Please show me the message that says "no traditional understanding of marriage included same sex unions" and then demonstrate where I was replying to that post. Then we will discuss who needs mental help.