Anonymous wrote:You know, I think it comes down to this - he was wrong but she was wronger.

OK pp made a point that I had missed which is, they had a relationship prior to the mentoring. So what did he do wrong? Want to be closer to her with the opportunity to mentor her group? Please. This is mom pissed off she didn't get the connections she "asked for" and manipulated her daughter. Ellie is clearly a week individual.

You know, I think it comes down to this - he was wrong but she was wronger.

Random question that has been popping into my head everytime I read about these two: how do you pronounce Clougherty (Ellie's last name)? Is it CLOCK-er-ty or more like CLOH-er-ty? Or even CLOF-er-ty?

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Anonymous wrote:This is what happens in real life when a relationship is looking even remotely similar to "50 shades of grey".

Joke aside, not OK for him to pursue her when she was that young. It is also very hard for women to be in technology. Guys either are either condescending, or hate you if you are really good and kick their ass. She probably thought she found a short cut.

Wait. She was 21 and he was 29. I don't see anything wrong with age here. The teacher/student thing maybe but age, no. Seems all was very consensual to me. Mom got mad when she found out, wanted marriage, business connections, when it didn't happen fast enough mom kick in. That is what I think.

Does it matter that the "teacher/student" situation is not actually how they met? They had already met and been e-mailing back and forth when he saw she had enrolled in the class and asked to be assigned to her team. He was at no point responsible for evaluating or grading her work. I'm not saying I think this whole thing is kosher, but I think the NYT story made way too much of the "mentor" relationship than it really was.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate her. Falsely claiming rape is a vile act, and its much more common than you think. Maybe of those going to the police the percentage is whatever is widely accepted (5%???), but of the social claims, the number is much higher.

She went to Rome with him and shared a bed. It's a bit much to be claiming rape.

I'm wondering if a lot of this is tied to her being a good Catholic girl and thinking they would eventually marry. Maybe he even made it seem that way.

Isn't he Jewish? How were they going to reconcile her Catholicism with his Jewishness?

His mother was Jewish, his father was Catholic, and he was raised Jewish. It's actually kind of weird how she tries to rope him into her musings on Catholicism and Christianity with no obvious recognition that he might identify more with Judaism or not be interested in Catholicism.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate her. Falsely claiming rape is a vile act, and its much more common than you think. Maybe of those going to the police the percentage is whatever is widely accepted (5%???), but of the social claims, the number is much higher.

She went to Rome with him and shared a bed. It's a bit much to be claiming rape.

I'm wondering if a lot of this is tied to her being a good Catholic girl and thinking they would eventually marry. Maybe he even made it seem that way.

Isn't he Jewish? How were they going to reconcile her Catholicism with his Jewishness?

What do they have to reconcile?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate her. Falsely claiming rape is a vile act, and its much more common than you think. Maybe of those going to the police the percentage is whatever is widely accepted (5%???), but of the social claims, the number is much higher.

She went to Rome with him and shared a bed. It's a bit much to be claiming rape.

I'm wondering if a lot of this is tied to her being a good Catholic girl and thinking they would eventually marry. Maybe he even made it seem that way.

Isn't he Jewish? How were they going to reconcile her Catholicism with his Jewishness?

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Ellie Clogherty is a victim but Joe Lonsdale isn't the perpetrator, is the mom. Girl, run, run, run away from your mother she is destroying your life!!!

+1 and a good life at that. It is not your mothers life it is yours and you need to take it back.

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens in real life when a relationship is looking even remotely similar to "50 shades of grey".

Joke aside, not OK for him to pursue her when she was that young. It is also very hard for women to be in technology. Guys either are either condescending, or hate you if you are really good and kick their ass. She probably thought she found a short cut.

Wait. She was 21 and he was 29. I don't see anything wrong with age here. The teacher/student thing maybe but age, no. Seems all was very consensual to me. Mom got mad when she found out, wanted marriage, business connections, when it didn't happen fast enough mom kick in. That is what I think.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate her. Falsely claiming rape is a vile act, and its much more common than you think. Maybe of those going to the police the percentage is whatever is widely accepted (5%???), but of the social claims, the number is much higher.

She went to Rome with him and shared a bed. It's a bit much to be claiming rape.

I'm wondering if a lot of this is tied to her being a good Catholic girl and thinking they would eventually marry. Maybe he even made it seem that way.

Sounds to me like the poor Joe, lead by his penis, would have married her if she had not gone off the deep end. I would pay her, cut my loses, and praise the lord that he intervened.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what kind of birth control they used. I'm surprised she didn't include that in her complaint seeing what a strong Catholic she was. She sinned by having pre-marital sex. Did she also sin by using birth control - or did they use a church-sanctioned method? Seems like that has bearing on the nature of their relationship.

must have been THE PILL how else could you keep up with 10 times a day?

I think Ellie is stupid in an unstable way and her mother is a gold digger. Mom didn't get her business connection she asked Joe for from Joe so the bashing began. Ellie was manipulated by her mother through the ridiculous catholic guilt syndrome. Psyh should have been focused there instead he (being paid by her mother) was manipulated into supporting this ridiculousness. I feel bad for Joe. He should be glad to be rid of her (them) it would have been a long hard road if he had married into that craziness.

Maybe nobody wants to admit to knowing them. Where was her father in all this? Is he still working those 60-90 hour weeks the mother claimed in that freaky letter after the break-up?

^^^i agree!

Nine page and no one has shown up saying they know the Clougherty's. I'm disappointed in DCUM.