Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

Good news is that I have an answer for you!!

She's still there because she is a great English teacher!

We love her (although our kid does not. "She makes us write and write and write").

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Yep, test scores are the biggest deterrent. Ward 3 kids simply perform at a much higher level, as a whole, than kids from outside of Ward 3, as a whole. Hence the tit-for-tat about snobbery and racism; but when you get down to it the scores speak for themselves. You can argue about the generational, social causes for lower test scores, but that's beside the point when parents desire the best possible education for their kid(s), in the present. Parents tend to want high-achieving kids to be surrounded by (mostly) other high achieving kids. Once this is acknowledged, what else is there to discuss other than uniforms and P.E.?

Well, as an IB parent with a 6th grader now at Hardy, for us the big issue (which you did not mention) was whether the school was going to be able to provide teaching and learning at a lever that would challenge him (proficient/advanced student from a top IB ES) and push him along the same or a steeper learning curve, in a context where we knew he would have been surrounded by, on average, lower achieving peers.

After visiting the school several times, talking to Hardy parents as well as with several 6th grade teachers, we felt fully confident, actually excited, about his prospective academic and social experience at the school.

The kid is now thriving at Hardy. We could not be happier. 6th grade teaching team is amazing and inspiring.

So in our view there was a lot more to discuss beyond our kid being surrounded by mostly high achieving kids, uniforms and P.E. .

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, it's not universally true. We've definitely met a few complete sh*ts in Ward 3, and they definitely aren't as well-prepared for anything that mommy and daddy believe, other than finding new and creative ways to get high.

...hence the use of the qualifier, "most," in the earlier post. There are always exceptions (located at either end of the curve).

To be fair, it's not universally true. We've definitely met a few complete sh*ts in Ward 3, and they definitely aren't as well-prepared for anything that mommy and daddy believe, other than finding new and creative ways to get high.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Yep, test scores are the biggest deterrent. Ward 3 kids simply perform at a much higher level, as a whole, than kids from outside of Ward 3, as a whole. Hence the tit-for-tat about snobbery and racism; but when you get down to it the scores speak for themselves. You can argue about the generational, social causes for lower test scores, but that's beside the point when parents desire the best possible education for their kid(s), in the present. Parents tend to want high-achieving kids to be surrounded by (mostly) other high achieving kids. Once this is acknowledged, what else is there to discuss other than uniforms and P.E.?

Thanks for cutting to the chase, PP. Everything else is jsut rearranging the deck chairs...

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Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Actually the past tests are unrelated to the quality of "education" in a given school (we'll see about future tests). My kids have said the DC CAS was pretty unrelated to anything they are learning in school (not at Hardy). What these scores do for a parent is give you a rough sketch of the academic potential of the cohort. But even then there are kids who don't take the test seriously, kids who underperform, and kids who test well but are not great students. In choosing a school, I'd say relying on these old test scores is a huge mistake. You can do better by talking to the school, teachers, parents, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

The teacher you're referring to was one of the best teachers my (white, IB) child had, at Hardy or any other school. She treated every student fairly, made every student work hard, had high expectations of every student, and taught them a ton. That's why she's still working. Please stop slandering her.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

Size is it's greatest strength. So much better than deal in this respect.

I'm in no way a Hardy booster, but I have to agree with this. Deal is freakishly large. It approaches the size of many suburban high schools, and that's not a good thing.

Give it a rest already.

Does being a message board troll validate your otherwise meaningless existence?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Yep, test scores are the biggest deterrent. Ward 3 kids simply perform at a much higher level, as a whole, than kids from outside of Ward 3, as a whole. Hence the tit-for-tat about snobbery and racism; but when you get down to it the scores speak for themselves. You can argue about the generational, social causes for lower test scores, but that's beside the point when parents desire the best possible education for their kid(s), in the present. Parents tend to want high-achieving kids to be surrounded by (mostly) other high achieving kids. Once this is acknowledged, what else is there to discuss other than uniforms and P.E.?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

Size is it's greatest strength. So much better than deal in this respect.

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

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Anonymous wrote:There's another thread that is 100 pages long and 1500 postings that has a lot of info on what is wrong at Hardy (or not, depending on one's perspective).

This one's newer, so it's better. Plus, this thread one is focused on snobbery while the other one is focused on racism: and both are false reasons for finding fault with Hardy.

So any concerns about Hardy are either racism or snobbery? If anyone who raises a concern about the school is so vilified and intimidated, no wonder it is taking so long for Hardy to change. At this pace it will take 60 years to catch up to Deal.

Well when you spend so many pages arguments about double standards in uniform rules it will.