Anonymous wrote:They're probably from France. Coneheads maybe.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I'm an empathetic person and usually feel bad for people who have made mistakes but I just don't see any excuse here.

Emergency they had to attend to? Nope, wine tasting
Poor and can't afford a sitter? Nope, rich.
Young? Nope, 40s.
First time parents? Nope, 2 kids.
Single parent with no help? Nope, both parents there.
Mild weather that night? Nope, cold.
Dumb? Nope, advanced degrees and good jobs.
Quick trip into store? Nope, hour+

I just don't understand!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure I should be outraged, but I agree with the poster who says that on a scale of 1-10 this is a 5.5. Frankly I'd give it more of a 4 bc while things had the potential of going wrong, they didn't. No one was injured, the car wasn't stolen -- all's well that ends well IMO.

Their kids -- their choice, why are people SO outraged about their kids' well being if the parents themselves aren't? Isn't the defense the same as the Home Depot guy from this summer -- I thought we dropped the kids off on the way but I guess we didn't; I guess we didn't hear them bc they fell asleep and were quiet? Only this is less egregious because it isn't 100 degrees out. Yes I realize cold is uncomfortable, but a kid can be in a car that starts at 70 and drops to 30 for 2-3 hours and be fine -- I mean you can't tell me these kids don't play outside in the winter? I think CPS and the justice system has bigger fish to fry than this honestly.

Except that in this case, they didn't forget to drop the kids off at the daycare -- they went to a wine tasting with the kids in the backseat! The Home Depot case was arguably an accident -- this was purposefully negligent.

Other than outright physical abuse, I can't think of a case of negligence that would be worse than this.

No the HD case was not an accident -- mom and dad had planned it and wanted to off the kid -- it has come out in things they said to each other before/after the incident. So in comparison to that, this is pretty tame. They were strapped in a car so they wouldn't go off wandering; they had coats on; dealing with cold is not as dangerous as a parked car in 100 degree weather; and at the end of the day nothing happened -- no injuries, the car wasn't stolen etc. Eh -- their choice.

They had coats on? I hadn't read that part. I'm someone who spoke out against them quite a bit last night, but was thinking overnight to maybe give a bit of benefit of the doubt...maybe it really was an accident and they thought they dropped the kids off at the sitters, like one pp suggested.

But they had coats on? Kids aren't supposed to wear coats in their carseats! So if they were wearing coats, the parents definitely PLANNED to leave the kids in the car.

I could see one parent doing this on a workday morning-- you're tired and going about your routine and forgot the sleeping baby was in the back as you got out of your car at your workplace. There have been some tragic instances of this happening, and but for the grace of God, it didn't happen to me. THIS IS DIFFERENT! TWO parents drove 10 minutes from their home in DuPont to a wine tasting event on a Saturday afternoon. It is impossible to believe that BOTH parents forgot their 2 kids in the backseat.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure I should be outraged, but I agree with the poster who says that on a scale of 1-10 this is a 5.5. Frankly I'd give it more of a 4 bc while things had the potential of going wrong, they didn't. No one was injured, the car wasn't stolen -- all's well that ends well IMO.

Their kids -- their choice, why are people SO outraged about their kids' well being if the parents themselves aren't? Isn't the defense the same as the Home Depot guy from this summer -- I thought we dropped the kids off on the way but I guess we didn't; I guess we didn't hear them bc they fell asleep and were quiet? Only this is less egregious because it isn't 100 degrees out. Yes I realize cold is uncomfortable, but a kid can be in a car that starts at 70 and drops to 30 for 2-3 hours and be fine -- I mean you can't tell me these kids don't play outside in the winter? I think CPS and the justice system has bigger fish to fry than this honestly.

Except that in this case, they didn't forget to drop the kids off at the daycare -- they went to a wine tasting with the kids in the backseat! The Home Depot case was arguably an accident -- this was purposefully negligent.

Other than outright physical abuse, I can't think of a case of negligence that would be worse than this.

No the HD case was not an accident -- mom and dad had planned it and wanted to off the kid -- it has come out in things they said to each other before/after the incident. So in comparison to that, this is pretty tame. They were strapped in a car so they wouldn't go off wandering; they had coats on; dealing with cold is not as dangerous as a parked car in 100 degree weather; and at the end of the day nothing happened -- no injuries, the car wasn't stolen etc. Eh -- their choice.

They had coats on? I hadn't read that part. I'm someone who spoke out against them quite a bit last night, but was thinking overnight to maybe give a bit of benefit of the doubt...maybe it really was an accident and they thought they dropped the kids off at the sitters, like one pp suggested.

But they had coats on? Kids aren't supposed to wear coats in their carseats! So if they were wearing coats, the parents definitely PLANNED to leave the kids in the car.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure I should be outraged, but I agree with the poster who says that on a scale of 1-10 this is a 5.5. Frankly I'd give it more of a 4 bc while things had the potential of going wrong, they didn't. No one was injured, the car wasn't stolen -- all's well that ends well IMO.

Their kids -- their choice, why are people SO outraged about their kids' well being if the parents themselves aren't? Isn't the defense the same as the Home Depot guy from this summer -- I thought we dropped the kids off on the way but I guess we didn't; I guess we didn't hear them bc they fell asleep and were quiet? Only this is less egregious because it isn't 100 degrees out. Yes I realize cold is uncomfortable, but a kid can be in a car that starts at 70 and drops to 30 for 2-3 hours and be fine -- I mean you can't tell me these kids don't play outside in the winter? I think CPS and the justice system has bigger fish to fry than this honestly.

Except that in this case, they didn't forget to drop the kids off at the daycare -- they went to a wine tasting with the kids in the backseat! The Home Depot case was arguably an accident -- this was purposefully negligent.

Other than outright physical abuse, I can't think of a case of negligence that would be worse than this.

No the HD case was not an accident -- mom and dad had planned it and wanted to off the kid -- it has come out in things they said to each other before/after the incident. So in comparison to that, this is pretty tame. They were strapped in a car so they wouldn't go off wandering; they had coats on; dealing with cold is not as dangerous as a parked car in 100 degree weather; and at the end of the day nothing happened -- no injuries, the car wasn't stolen etc. Eh -- their choice.

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Anonymous wrote:All internet ridicule aside, let he without sin and so forth. I've made my 9 year old sit outside in bitter cold weather for a time out when he was about to bring everyone in the house to their knees with fear and anguish. Some might consider that abuse.

He's 9, not 2.
He was outside your house, not strapped into a parked car out of your site.
He was not strapped to anything: he had hTe ability, and the common sense , to move if danger came.
You probably limited the outside time to less than an hour.

It was @ 10 minutes. He as wearing a sweat shirt and jeans, it was @ 30F. But I wonder if someone passing by our house that night had seen him out there crying and called the police, I'm not sure they would seen this as reasonable punishment.

So this was your version of a time out for a 9 yr old?!? Lame.

The 3 and 1 yr old in this case haven't done anything to deserve being left in a cold car for at least an hour and the parents left them there to attend a wine tasting.

Why is my time out lame? They say you should do around 1 minute per year of life. What should I have done when he was threatening everyone in the house verbally and refusing to listen to reason?

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Anonymous wrote:All internet ridicule aside, let he without sin and so forth. I've made my 9 year old sit outside in bitter cold weather for a time out when he was about to bring everyone in the house to their knees with fear and anguish. Some might consider that abuse.

He's 9, not 2.
He was outside your house, not strapped into a parked car out of your site.
He was not strapped to anything: he had hTe ability, and the common sense , to move if danger came.
You probably limited the outside time to less than an hour.

It was @ 10 minutes. He as wearing a sweat shirt and jeans, it was @ 30F. But I wonder if someone passing by our house that night had seen him out there crying and called the police, I'm not sure they would seen this as reasonable punishment.

So this was your version of a time out for a 9 yr old?!? Lame.

The 3 and 1 yr old in this case haven't done anything to deserve being left in a cold car for at least an hour and the parents left them there to attend a wine tasting.

Why is my time out lame? They say you should do around 1 minute per year of life. What should I have done when he was threatening everyone in the house verbally and refusing to listen to reason?

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Anonymous wrote:All internet ridicule aside, let he without sin and so forth. I've made my 9 year old sit outside in bitter cold weather for a time out when he was about to bring everyone in the house to their knees with fear and anguish. Some might consider that abuse.

He's 9, not 2.
He was outside your house, not strapped into a parked car out of your site.
He was not strapped to anything: he had hTe ability, and the common sense , to move if danger came.
You probably limited the outside time to less than an hour.

It was @ 10 minutes. He as wearing a sweat shirt and jeans, it was @ 30F. But I wonder if someone passing by our house that night had seen him out there crying and called the police, I'm not sure they would seen this as reasonable punishment.

So this was your version of a time out for a 9 yr old?!? Lame.

The 3 and 1 yr old in this case haven't done anything to deserve being left in a cold car for at least an hour and the parents left them there to attend a wine tasting.

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Anonymous wrote:All internet ridicule aside, let he without sin and so forth. I've made my 9 year old sit outside in bitter cold weather for a time out when he was about to bring everyone in the house to their knees with fear and anguish. Some might consider that abuse.

He's 9, not 2.
He was outside your house, not strapped into a parked car out of your site.
He was not strapped to anything: he had hTe ability, and the common sense , to move if danger came.
You probably limited the outside time to less than an hour.

It was @ 10 minutes. He as wearing a sweat shirt and jeans, it was @ 30F. But I wonder if someone passing by our house that night had seen him out there crying and called the police, I'm not sure they would seen this as reasonable punishment.