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Anonymous wrote:At the the same time, I don't want my children to be indoctrinated into the current white-christian-men-are-to-blame-for-EVERYTHING culture that is so rampant on many school campuses.

It's been some time since I went to college. I don't know what you're talking about. Could you elaborate? If you know this is happening, why don't you know on which campuses it's happening too?

It actually begins before college. My son is in high school and just came home with a paper on white privilege/white guilt. The paper states that if he and his family drive to the grocery store without being pulled over or "targeted" by police, he should chalk that up to the fact that he is white and should have white guilt over it because a minority would not be as fortunate and must fear this every time they go to the store. There were many more examples on the paper of how he is sooo privileged in everyday little things because he is white, should feel guilty about it, and he should understand how white privilege has given his family everything they have.

I bet you've twisted that paper and it's actually about teaching empathy, not guilt. Does it actually specify feeling guilty? I doubt it. But prove me wrong - quote it.

I'm sorry but my kid is Latino at BASIS DC (majority AA) and had a white English teacher who basically assigned them an essay where they needed to conclude that the American Dream (of coming from nothing and rising to everything) is basically dead because of racism. This in a school founded by an (albeit white) equal opportunity person who concluded that education is the ticket out of anywhere. Of course he is not on a mission to educate poor minority kids, he started in AZ where there are not very many AA folks, but he did found a school here, where lottery admissions mean there are a fair number of them.

Anyway, a lot of the parents were beyond pissed. And maybe we only got away with it because we are not white, but to tell inner city kids who are trying to use education as a ticket out and trying hard (still at BASIS DC in 7th grade) that they have no chance because the American Dream is dead when my husband and my grandfather are both examples of it was ridiculous. When there ain't enough white kids to sell that shit to to them, some of the rest of us fight back.

PS I went to Princeton in the early 90s and found a fairly active conservative community, whom I debated all the time. I think we still have Peter Singer there, although he came after my time. I went to UVA Law School and became much more conservative if you can call it that (think Federalist Society) than I ever could have possibly imagined.

In both institutions, we had professors who identified themselves as "liberal" or "conservative" and others whose course assignments let us figure it out for ourselves.

But I will never forget the course I took by Cornell West or the seminar I was in taught by Maya Angelou. The one thing Princeton really taught me was that I had to respect other points of view and if I could not address them on equally educated intellectual terms, I was done for.

But Princeton was also the most diverse community I have ever been in - internationally, economically, ethnically, racially, sexually, you name it. I learned a hell of a lot by making friends from East LA and Ghana, and realizing that some people came to Princeton intellectually and socially unprepared and needed a 9th semester of financial aid because so many of them had to leave either because they had to deal with family issues or because they had trouble dealing with Princeton. I also had a friend in the reserves who was pulled out for the Gulf War.

I studied the "internalization" of institutional racism/discrimination/superiority complexes and the "symbolization of subordinaton" but wrote my thesis in Anthropology about an indigenous group in a foreign country who called their own shots and risked their lives for it, and refused to integrate themselves into the dominant culture, and got an A from two advisors who were at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

I vote for Princeton.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any good schools whose culture has not been completely overtaken by the "white people are to blame for the world's woes"? And don't tell me to look at Liberty. I mean Ivies and a level below. I feel like the college cultural pendulum has swung so hard to the left. Even Chris Rock says he doesn't do college tours because college audiences are so intolerant! (In the name of tolerance, of course).

Any major University in the south, mid-west, or any place besides the northeast.

Plus Penn State. Believe me, there wasn't a whole lot of political thinking or social awareness of any kind going on there when I attended, and sadly, it appears not to have changed much since then.

Anonymous wrote:Universities in th UK perhaps?

Clearly you haven't traveled much.

Anonymous wrote:It cracks me up that everyone is advising to go to religious schools.. Most catholic schools have this whole social justice line of BS that it is just as bad as a liberal campus. I think the OP is asking for colleges where ALL ideas are welcomed and open debate is encouraged ( not just liberal debate but a true exchange of ideas).. Sorry OP just completed the college search with DD .. Can't even name one. Good luck- seriously I hope you can find one.. We didnt

Social justice line of BS? Wow, who knew? We Catholics are so screaming left liberal! Finally, someone who gets it!

Universities in th UK perhaps?

Hillsdale.

OP - unless your child is easily influenced by others, he/she will withstand the loud voices of more extreme liberal views of intolerance at top universities; there are always an array of political views although colleges have long been more liberal than the general population because youth is usually more liberal than older people -that's life. White privilege is old school. My college freshman comes home and jokes about classmates who insist every opinion others holds which they disagree is the product of their inherent bias caused by their privileged race, heterosexual orientation, CIS-gendered, western civilization, English-speaking bias. I think what OP objects to is not being exposed to awareness and understanding through diversity, but that our campuses -- full of bright energetic people - are too often shying away from serious debate in their on campus culture by making views other than the popular ones of the moment just unacceptable and labeling those who do not embrace the same view. This is intellectually dishonest, and our brightest students need to be able to insist on facts and
theories tested by debate, without fear of social vilification. It is a real problem - not one of conservative or religious fringes as some here have implied. Even some college Presidents have started to talk about it publicly. I am hopeful that we are near a turning point when sound bite opinions will be revealed for what they are worth and will give way to thoughtful, principled debate leading to sound policies. The outcomes will be better for everyone.

^^^

Intellectually honest people care.

Carry on...

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Are there any good schools whose culture has not been completely overtaken by the "white people are to blame for the world's woes"? And don't tell me to look at Liberty. I mean Ivies and a level below. I feel like the college cultural pendulum has swung so hard to the left. Even Chris Rock says he doesn't do college tours because college audiences are so intolerant! (In the name of tolerance, of course).



Thank you for being frank about a real problem with American education. When colleges are teaching how to squat, hire the likes of Bill Ayers, etc., this is an important question!

Totally agree with the PP. Colleges have become a haven for the far left wingnuts. To the OP's point, they are simply intolerant of anyone who thinks differently.


Which again proves my point, your child is too stupid to critically analyze and accept the viewpoints of others because if he/she wasn't, you wouldn't complain and agree with the OP. But here's how I know you're a hypocrite; people like you are almost always intolerant of other people's views who run counter to yours and immediately get defensive when challenge and presented with information from the other side.


"University of Virginia professor Jonathan] Haidt’s research asks individuals to answer questionnaires regarding their core moral beliefs—what sorts of values they consider sacred, which they would compromise on, and how much it would take to get them to make those compromises. By themselves, these exercises are interesting. (Try them online and see where you come out.)

But Haidt’s research went one step further, asking self-indentified conservatives to answer those questionnaires as if they were liberals and for liberals to do the opposite. What Haidt found is that conservatives understand liberals’ moral values better than liberals understand where conservatives are coming from. Worse yet, liberals don’t know what they don’t know; they don’t understand how limited their knowledge of conservative values is. If anyone is close-minded here it’s not conservatives."

Great job, pp, proving Haidt's point

Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any good schools whose culture has not been completely overtaken by the "white people are to blame for the world's woes"? And don't tell me to look at Liberty. I mean Ivies and a level below. I feel like the college cultural pendulum has swung so hard to the left. Even Chris Rock says he doesn't do college tours because college audiences are so intolerant! (In the name of tolerance, of course).

Thank you for being frank about a real problem with American education. When colleges are teaching how to squat, hire the likes of Bill Ayers, etc., this is an important question!

Totally agree with the PP. Colleges have become a haven for the far left wingnuts. To the OP's point, they are simply intolerant of anyone who thinks differently.

Which again proves my point, your child is too stupid to critically analyze and accept the viewpoints of others because if he/she wasn't, you wouldn't complain and agree with the OP. But here's how I know you're a hypocrite; people like you are almost always intolerant of other people's views who run counter to yours and immediately get defensive when challenge and presented with information from the other side.

"University of Virginia professor Jonathan] Haidt’s research asks individuals to answer questionnaires regarding their core moral beliefs—what sorts of values they consider sacred, which they would compromise on, and how much it would take to get them to make those compromises. By themselves, these exercises are interesting. (Try them online and see where you come out.)

But Haidt’s research went one step further, asking self-indentified conservatives to answer those questionnaires as if they were liberals and for liberals to do the opposite. What Haidt found is that conservatives understand liberals’ moral values better than liberals understand where conservatives are coming from. Worse yet, liberals don’t know what they don’t know; they don’t understand how limited their knowledge of conservative values is. If anyone is close-minded here it’s not conservatives."

Great job, pp, proving Haidt's point

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Anonymous wrote:At the the same time, I don't want my children to be indoctrinated into the current white-christian-men-are-to-blame-for-EVERYTHING culture that is so rampant on many school campuses.

It's been some time since I went to college. I don't know what you're talking about. Could you elaborate? If you know this is happening, why don't you know on which campuses it's happening too?

It actually begins before college. My son is in high school and just came home with a paper on white privilege/white guilt. The paper states that if he and his family drive to the grocery store without being pulled over or "targeted" by police, he should chalk that up to the fact that he is white and should have white guilt over it because a minority would not be as fortunate and must fear this every time they go to the store. There were many more examples on the paper of how he is sooo privileged in everyday little things because he is white, should feel guilty about it, and he should understand how white privilege has given his family everything they have.

Hand it straight to your lawyer.

And I expect the poster who I called out to get defensive and call me a Liberal because I called them out for their ignorance.

Typical.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any good schools whose culture has not been completely overtaken by the "white people are to blame for the world's woes"? And don't tell me to look at Liberty. I mean Ivies and a level below. I feel like the college cultural pendulum has swung so hard to the left. Even Chris Rock says he doesn't do college tours because college audiences are so intolerant! (In the name of tolerance, of course).

Thank you for being frank about a real problem with American education. When colleges are teaching how to squat, hire the likes of Bill Ayers, etc., this is an important question!

Totally agree with the PP. Colleges have become a haven for the far left wingnuts. To the OP's point, they are simply intolerant of anyone who thinks differently.

Which again proves my point, your child is too stupid to critically analyze and accept the viewpoints of others because if he/she wasn't, you wouldn't complain and agree with the OP. But here's how I know you're a hypocrite; people like you are almost always intolerant of other people's views who run counter to yours and immediately get defensive when challenge and presented with information from the other side.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any good schools whose culture has not been completely overtaken by the "white people are to blame for the world's woes"? And don't tell me to look at Liberty. I mean Ivies and a level below. I feel like the college cultural pendulum has swung so hard to the left. Even Chris Rock says he doesn't do college tours because college audiences are so intolerant! (In the name of tolerance, of course).

Thank you for being frank about a real problem with American education. When colleges are teaching how to squat, hire the likes of Bill Ayers, etc., this is an important question!

Totally agree with the PP. Colleges have become a haven for the far left wingnuts. To the OP's point, they are simply intolerant of anyone who thinks differently.

Anonymous wrote:Are there any good schools whose culture has not been completely overtaken by the "white people are to blame for the world's woes"? And don't tell me to look at Liberty. I mean Ivies and a level below. I feel like the college cultural pendulum has swung so hard to the left. Even Chris Rock says he doesn't do college tours because college audiences are so intolerant! (In the name of tolerance, of course).

I don't understand why everyone is taking this post seriously. This post is just hilarious. OP's kids, I'm sure, couldn't care less what their cranky mom thinks about campus culture. Cranky mom has no idea what college life is like anymore and is somehow set off by a Chris Rock.

To attempt a serious answer: there are a multitude of schools out there with a variety of campus cultures. Your kids can find a place they will fit in. Hopefully you will let them decide this for themselves.