Anonymous wrote:Plenty of people have spoken up but you only pay attention to those things that play into your confirmation bias. For people like you PP, anything other than complete social annihilation of these guys translates to acceptance by all. But you don't believe that when it comes to white or feminist "leaders, " do you?

The only black celebrity I've heard call them out is Lil Wayne on his Carter III album. Even then, it was hidden in an album.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.

Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.

Because the white media needs a black person to speak on their segment on the subject.

TO add: Black people never elected them to represent them but the media has them on as representatives of the community. Do you see the difference? Why do all the black people need to tell them to shut up if they were put there by them to begin with?!

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.

Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.

Because the white media needs a black person to speak on their segment on the subject.

I'm taking about when they're standing beside the families, not the networks.

Anonymous wrote:^ Because Al S. and Jesse J. represent AA people. They are their leaders.

Good grief. In that case, John Boehner represents me -- or would, if I were more orange.

Plenty of people have spoken up but you only pay attention to those things that play into your confirmation bias. For people like you PP, anything other than complete social annihilation of these guys translates to acceptance by all. But you don't believe that when it comes to white or feminist "leaders, " do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.

Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.

Because the white media needs a black person to speak on their segment on the subject.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.

Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.

That's the argument? That Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson must speak for all black people everywhere, because -- as far as you know -- nobody has told them to shut the fuck up and go home?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.

Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.

+1 If these two charlatans don’t speak for the black community, then the black community should send them packing.

^ Because Al S. and Jesse J. represent AA people. They are their leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.

Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?

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Anonymous wrote:The point of looting is to show you have power over something when you otherwise feel you do not have power.

It's like kicking the dog when you get home from work after your boss yells at you. Transference.

Fine. But saying, "well the looters feel frustrated" only works in the short-term. What about the future of this neighborhood. People still live there, work there. On a small-business level, who will want to invest in this place. What stable families will want to stay. The violent individuals are doing long-term damage.

Totally agree. The protesters and general community want money to be spent on a community center, rec center, job training... ummm no... all that money that could have been spent on the community is now going to be spent buying new police cars and fixing up the streets. It's just idiocy to burn things down. Frankly, I think MB's stepfather should be charged with inciting violence for screaming "burn this bitch down!" over and over. I don't care how you are "grieving" -- we are trying to have a society here and that means we expect even grieving parents to control themselves. There is no excuse for that. None.

Seriously, I need to stop watching CNN b/c Sonny Hoskin and the whole MB-machinery are going to turn this law and order Dem into a Fox News lovin' Repub! I never thought I'd go down that road, but this whole thing pisses me off.

First they complain that the police are too forceful with the protester (in Aug.) now they are complaining that the police "let Ferguson burn" (implying the police wanted Ferguson to be burned down). There is just no reasoning with people like this. I need to disengage from the news.

It's too bad MB instigated his own death. If you punch a police officer several times, run away and then come back toward him when he's telling you to stop, --- these are facts -- you are going to end up dead or seriously hurt.

Contrast this with the case of a white man killed by police in Springfield last year... he never touched the police officers and he was shot dead. That's a case of potential police excessive use of force. That's a case that has legs. MB's case? the facts just aren't there.

How am I condoning it? If not for the riots, we wouldn't have heard of Michael Brown. That's not condoning looting. That's just a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:They're opportunists is all. No real message to authorities is sent.

This.

Believe that at your peril.

They had a AA pundit on the radio this morning and he was saying that a lot of the old heads in the 1960's have always complained that this generation showed extreme apathy on Civil Rights issues. He said that if any good has come from Mike Brown's death it is that this generation of young educated AA's and young Liberals of other races is starting to become energized on these issues. These are the leaders of the protests in Ferguson and the ones in NY. So keep focusing on Sharpton and Jesse - who are only relevant in their age demographic. But those are not the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years.

Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.

Who is condoning "this looting behavior"? In whom is it reinforcing stereotypes -- in the people who hold these stereotypes? And what do you think would "advance the discussion"? The rioting in Ferguson seems to me to have advanced the discussion a whole lot. If not for the rioting (and the appalling police response), none of us would ever have heard of Michael Brown. He would have been just another anonymous young black man shot dead by a police officer.

Your post above is pretty much condoning the looting behavior.