Anonymous wrote:If you don't like AAP parents then why are you on the AAP section of this forum. Please go to the VA schools area to discuss information regarding your school and class structure. The only reason you are on this site is to make trouble and create argumentative points. Find something else to do please.

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This is my first year as an AAP parent and I have never seen so much nastiness! It is mostly coming (unprovoked) from GE parents in my circle causing me to feel very isolated. If some AAP parents are jerks than avoid them and move on. If your child is not in AAP than focus on your child's school and move on.

Anonymous wrote:If you don't like AAP parents then why are you on the AAP section of this forum. Please go to the VA schools area to discuss information regarding your school and class structure. The only reason you are on this site is to make trouble and create argumentative points. Find something else to do please.

I am an AAP parent and while I like most of the other AAP parents there are some that are complete Jerks. As are some of the GE parents. I think the OP has some valid points, if you are an AAP parent don't act like if your child has to interact with GE kids they may catch a disease.

I have also been an OM coach, and if it were not for the GE kids on our team the problem would have never been solved, the AAP kids were too busy over complicating the solution, eventually a GE kid came up with a great idea, and once I made the team sit and listen to the proposal the whole team decided to move forward with the idea. One of the AAP parents was very upset that her son's idea was not used and she sent me a nasty email about it, and how I should take advantage of having AAP kids on the team. I spoke to her son about it and found out the reason her son never told us about his idea was because it was his mother's idea and he understood that outside assistance was not allowed. I spoke to her about outside assistance in a non-accusatory manner and reminded her that we have a rule on my team that if kids fail to report help from their parents they would be kicked off the team. She went to the coordinator and told her that I was being unfair to her son. I had already let the coordinator know what had happened and the coordinator let her know that if her son was her team she would have already thrown him off the team for not informing her about the mother's outside assistance immediately.

Our team finished 3rd that year, the father pulled me aside at the season end party to tell me this is what happens when you ignore his son's ideas, to which I informed him that his son had told me it was his mother's idea. The father and the mother got into a huge fight, she had apparently left that part out. A couple of days later, after he talked to his son he called me to see if we could meet up for coffee, he apologized and said he was unaware that his wife had been trying to cheat and let me know that his son told him everything including that he was glad that I let him stay on the team after it all happened. He did ask me to never tell his wife we spoke about it.

If you don't like AAP parents then why are you on the AAP section of this forum. Please go to the VA schools area to discuss information regarding your school and class structure. The only reason you are on this site is to make trouble and create argumentative points. Find something else to do please.

Anonymous wrote:Why at HATE GE parents-- a Vent--

Because they have never met me, or my kids. They know nothing about us, or our circumstances. But they feel free to make assumption with zero basis in fact, and say mean, insulting things about a bunch of ES kids being robots with no social skills who are prepped beyond belief. Even if this bear no resembelence to reality.

Because they see slights everywhere, but you better sit there and let them say mean things and make mean generalizations about your kids, because they feel entitled to belittle 9 year olds.

All because they are so butthurt that Larla is not AAP, when she is clear as smart or smarter.

Time to STFU and let this thread die. Or the why GE parents suck s\o thread starts. And you might not love to know how we feel about you.

It is so nice of you to validate the original OPs original vent. Thanks for contributing to the bad reputation that AAP parents have thanks to people like you. For the most AAP parents are normal and are completely capable of recognizing while overly general the OPs post is valid for some AAP parents (I strongly expect the quoted poster is one of those).

Anonymous wrote:Why do you assume that everyone posting has kids who didn't make the cut. My kid is in AAP, and I still find many of the AAP parents (especially on DCUM) completely ridiculous. The funny part is that the parents who actually have gifted kids seem pretty normal, and the ones with the exceptionally borderline kids are the ones who seem to think their kids are much more special than they really are.

No one should have anything against AAP kids. For the most part, they really are normal, reasonably hardworking, curious, bright, but not-actually-gifted kids. And that's fine. My own child and most of that child's AAP classmates fit that profile. Parents who seem to think that a middle of the pack AAP kid is leagues above the top gen ed kids rather than being pretty much indistinguishable from them are completely ridiculous.

This is my experience as well. Except I have one of the truly gifted kids, and while some parents are in awe like us and most of the children, others are mean. When walking home one day a parent directly accused him of cheating when he was the only kid to get a 100 on a test and the other kids were closer to 80.

Why at HATE GE parents-- a Vent--

Because they have never met me, or my kids. They know nothing about us, or our circumstances. But they feel free to make assumption with zero basis in fact, and say mean, insulting things about a bunch of ES kids being robots with no social skills who are prepped beyond belief. Even if this bear no resembelence to reality.

Because they see slights everywhere, but you better sit there and let them say mean things and make mean generalizations about your kids, because they feel entitled to belittle 9 year olds.

All because they are so butthurt that Larla is not AAP, when she is clear as smart or smarter.

Time to STFU and let this thread die. Or the why GE parents suck s\o thread starts. And you might not love to know how we feel about you.

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You are making a terrible generalization about thousands of children that most AAP kids are test taking drones lacking happiness or the skills to make it in the real world.

+1 This gross generalization does not at all agree with my impressions of both what the selection committee looked for, and what I see in the kids in my child's AAP cohort.

The work samples we submitted, for example, which the AART agreed were a good support, aimed to evidence creativity, curiosity, and sustained effort in areas of interest, even if some of those weren't strictly academic. What I see from the kids in AAP is that in addition to being smart, they also happen to be socially savvy, loud, ask a lot of questions, don't wait to hear the answer sometimes, want to explain to you why they think the way they think, and in many cases talk and think so far outside the box you kinda wish there was a box nearby. The vast majority of them are anything but robots.

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AAP Parents are not pushing their kids to being drone test takers. The tests are ALREADY easy for these kids. The kids are evaluated at school for their behavior all the time based on their behavior, their artistry, their willingness to learn and apply that knowledge. If you ever looked at a GBRS, the metrics are not just the test-- it's behavior. Which can't be prepped for.

In this area, the pressure on parents to raise "perfect" kids is blinding. Your kid didn't get into AAP because your kid is not gifted. That doesn't mean you have failed or you are justified in making awful assumptions. Your kids are special and loved and smart because you love them. But when you feel justified to hate AAP parents and their kids, you've shown all of the AAP parents the real reasons your kids didn't make it.

Hurllllll!!!!

Just look at your post. Your are assuming that somehow these "tests" magically and precisely measure intelligence, and second grade teachers observing behavior are qualified to precisely evaluate students, with no parental pressure, knowledge of LD, excessive shyness, etc. You boldly claim if you are not selected for AAP you are not gifted. But wait...that's OK...you can still love your kid and he is still special!!

My intent was to point out that the tendency of people to hate AAP kids and parents is indicative of an environment of competitive parenting. Certainly there are GE kids that show gifted behavior or should be given extra attention for LD. But to be so hateful, bigoted and bitter towards AAP families because your kids didn't make it is an example of why your kids didn't make it. You don't like the result so you rant about others in an anonymous forum. How brave. How smart. How gifted!

The AAP process is not a magical ball in seeing your kids future. But it's pretty awesome compared to what they do in the rest of the world. In China, the testing done there is fixed- there is no way to appeal the process at all. Kids cram for 16 hour days to pass a test that determines the rest of their lives. It's horrible. Here- your kid has a chance to advance in their own time and their own pace, whether it is in third grade or beyond. The AAP process is also multidimensional and multidisciplinary- meaning it's not just how the kids do on tests but how they behave- which if you ever looked at a GBRS evaluation you would see that some of it has to deal with shyness and LD for 2E. And you can appeal with further testing out of your own pocket. So there's room to truly analyze your kids for giftedness. But if your kids still don't get in it doesn't mean that your kid doesn't have other strengths or gifts or won't come into their own later, it just means that they don't get into a program that is matriced out for a certain group of academics ad gifted behavior at that time. Nor does it mean that AAP kids are losers.

But hey- let's just insult all of the teachers and admin because your kid didn't make it in and then blame all the other parents and their kids for "prepping" and then on top of that blame your kids LD and shyness for their GE. That sounds like logical, productive reasoning there.

whoo you are so full of yourself, open your eyes and look around. It is just AAP where kids learn a grade ahead of maths and little deeper writing/social/science , which is easily done by 85% of kids in this area because parents are also so learned and high income and pretty aware of all actvities. tests happening in school. Lot of them do volunteering and pretty involved in kids academics. Like you

Actually, from what I can tell most of the kids already learn a whole year ahead of math and science in the GE- in terms of common core and what the rest of the country is doing. But keep telling yourself that the teachers don't have enough experience or knowledge to know which kids get into AAP and that it's s bunch of parental involvement and "prepping," when it sounds like all of the kids here are getting an advanced program. (Go look at the workbooks - the rest of the country is a grade behind).

And as for volunteering: I don't. The only thing I do is make sure my kids socialize and play sports. They are still in AAP without prepping. But whatever you need to say to justify that your comments about hating AAP parents and the kids is acceptable. Go gifted GE parents! yeah! We are all special! But let's hate the AAP straw man. Yep! Go team us!

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You are making a terrible generalization about thousands of children that most AAP kids are test taking drones lacking happiness or the skills to make it in the real world.

+1 This gross generalization does not at all agree with my impressions of both what the selection committee looked for, and what I see in the kids in my child's AAP cohort.

The work samples we submitted, for example, which the AART agreed were a good support, aimed to evidence creativity, curiosity, and sustained effort in areas of interest, even if some of those weren't strictly academic. What I see from the kids in AAP is that in addition to being smart, they also happen to be socially savvy, loud, ask a lot of questions, don't wait to hear the answer sometimes, want to explain to you why they think the way they think, and in many cases talk and think so far outside the box you kinda wish there was a box nearby. The vast majority of them are anything but robots.

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AAP Parents are not pushing their kids to being drone test takers. The tests are ALREADY easy for these kids. The kids are evaluated at school for their behavior all the time based on their behavior, their artistry, their willingness to learn and apply that knowledge. If you ever looked at a GBRS, the metrics are not just the test-- it's behavior. Which can't be prepped for.

In this area, the pressure on parents to raise "perfect" kids is blinding. Your kid didn't get into AAP because your kid is not gifted. That doesn't mean you have failed or you are justified in making awful assumptions. Your kids are special and loved and smart because you love them. But when you feel justified to hate AAP parents and their kids, you've shown all of the AAP parents the real reasons your kids didn't make it.

Hurllllll!!!!

Just look at your post. Your are assuming that somehow these "tests" magically and precisely measure intelligence, and second grade teachers observing behavior are qualified to precisely evaluate students, with no parental pressure, knowledge of LD, excessive shyness, etc. You boldly claim if you are not selected for AAP you are not gifted. But wait...that's OK...you can still love your kid and he is still special!!

My intent was to point out that the tendency of people to hate AAP kids and parents is indicative of an environment of competitive parenting. Certainly there are GE kids that show gifted behavior or should be given extra attention for LD. But to be so hateful, bigoted and bitter towards AAP families because your kids didn't make it is an example of why your kids didn't make it. You don't like the result so you rant about others in an anonymous forum. How brave. How smart. How gifted!

The AAP process is not a magical ball in seeing your kids future. But it's pretty awesome compared to what they do in the rest of the world. In China, the testing done there is fixed- there is no way to appeal the process at all. Kids cram for 16 hour days to pass a test that determines the rest of their lives. It's horrible. Here- your kid has a chance to advance in their own time and their own pace, whether it is in third grade or beyond. The AAP process is also multidimensional and multidisciplinary- meaning it's not just how the kids do on tests but how they behave- which if you ever looked at a GBRS evaluation you would see that some of it has to deal with shyness and LD for 2E. And you can appeal with further testing out of your own pocket. So there's room to truly analyze your kids for giftedness. But if your kids still don't get in it doesn't mean that your kid doesn't have other strengths or gifts or won't come into their own later, it just means that they don't get into a program that is matriced out for a certain group of academics ad gifted behavior at that time. Nor does it mean that AAP kids are losers.

But hey- let's just insult all of the teachers and admin because your kid didn't make it in and then blame all the other parents and their kids for "prepping" and then on top of that blame your kids LD and shyness for their GE. That sounds like logical, productive reasoning there.

whoo you are so full of yourself, open your eyes and look around. It is just AAP where kids learn a grade ahead of maths and little deeper writing/social/science , which is easily done by 85% of kids in this area because parents are also so learned and high income and pretty aware of all actvities. tests happening in school. Lot of them do volunteering and pretty involved in kids academics. Like you

Why do you assume that everyone posting has kids who didn't make the cut. My kid is in AAP, and I still find many of the AAP parents (especially on DCUM) completely ridiculous. The funny part is that the parents who actually have gifted kids seem pretty normal, and the ones with the exceptionally borderline kids are the ones who seem to think their kids are much more special than they really are.

No one should have anything against AAP kids. For the most part, they really are normal, reasonably hardworking, curious, bright, but not-actually-gifted kids. And that's fine. My own child and most of that child's AAP classmates fit that profile. Parents who seem to think that a middle of the pack AAP kid is leagues above the top gen ed kids rather than being pretty much indistinguishable from them are completely ridiculous.

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You are making a terrible generalization about thousands of children that most AAP kids are test taking drones lacking happiness or the skills to make it in the real world.

+1 This gross generalization does not at all agree with my impressions of both what the selection committee looked for, and what I see in the kids in my child's AAP cohort.

The work samples we submitted, for example, which the AART agreed were a good support, aimed to evidence creativity, curiosity, and sustained effort in areas of interest, even if some of those weren't strictly academic. What I see from the kids in AAP is that in addition to being smart, they also happen to be socially savvy, loud, ask a lot of questions, don't wait to hear the answer sometimes, want to explain to you why they think the way they think, and in many cases talk and think so far outside the box you kinda wish there was a box nearby. The vast majority of them are anything but robots.

+10000

AAP Parents are not pushing their kids to being drone test takers. The tests are ALREADY easy for these kids. The kids are evaluated at school for their behavior all the time based on their behavior, their artistry, their willingness to learn and apply that knowledge. If you ever looked at a GBRS, the metrics are not just the test-- it's behavior. Which can't be prepped for.

In this area, the pressure on parents to raise "perfect" kids is blinding. Your kid didn't get into AAP because your kid is not gifted. That doesn't mean you have failed or you are justified in making awful assumptions. Your kids are special and loved and smart because you love them. But when you feel justified to hate AAP parents and their kids, you've shown all of the AAP parents the real reasons your kids didn't make it.

Hurllllll!!!!

Just look at your post. Your are assuming that somehow these "tests" magically and precisely measure intelligence, and second grade teachers observing behavior are qualified to precisely evaluate students, with no parental pressure, knowledge of LD, excessive shyness, etc. You boldly claim if you are not selected for AAP you are not gifted. But wait...that's OK...you can still love your kid and he is still special!!

My intent was to point out that the tendency of people to hate AAP kids and parents is indicative of an environment of competitive parenting. Certainly there are GE kids that show gifted behavior or should be given extra attention for LD. But to be so hateful, bigoted and bitter towards AAP families because your kids didn't make it is an example of why your kids didn't make it. You don't like the result so you rant about others in an anonymous forum. How brave. How smart. How gifted!

The AAP process is not a magical ball in seeing your kids future. But it's pretty awesome compared to what they do in the rest of the world. In China, the testing done there is fixed- there is no way to appeal the process at all. Kids cram for 16 hour days to pass a test that determines the rest of their lives. It's horrible. Here- your kid has a chance to advance in their own time and their own pace, whether it is in third grade or beyond. The AAP process is also multidimensional and multidisciplinary- meaning it's not just how the kids do on tests but how they behave- which if you ever looked at a GBRS evaluation you would see that some of it has to deal with shyness and LD for 2E. And you can appeal with further testing out of your own pocket. So there's room to truly analyze your kids for giftedness. But if your kids still don't get in it doesn't mean that your kid doesn't have other strengths or gifts or won't come into their own later, it just means that they don't get into a program that is matriced out for a certain group of academics ad gifted behavior at that time. Nor does it mean that AAP kids are losers.

But hey- let's just insult all of the teachers and admin because your kid didn't make it in and then blame all the other parents and their kids for "prepping" and then on top of that blame your kids LD and shyness for their GE. That sounds like logical, productive reasoning there.

Anonymous wrote:

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You are making a terrible generalization about thousands of children that most AAP kids are test taking drones lacking happiness or the skills to make it in the real world.

+1 This gross generalization does not at all agree with my impressions of both what the selection committee looked for, and what I see in the kids in my child's AAP cohort.

The work samples we submitted, for example, which the AART agreed were a good support, aimed to evidence creativity, curiosity, and sustained effort in areas of interest, even if some of those weren't strictly academic. What I see from the kids in AAP is that in addition to being smart, they also happen to be socially savvy, loud, ask a lot of questions, don't wait to hear the answer sometimes, want to explain to you why they think the way they think, and in many cases talk and think so far outside the box you kinda wish there was a box nearby. The vast majority of them are anything but robots.

+10000

AAP Parents are not pushing their kids to being drone test takers. The tests are ALREADY easy for these kids. The kids are evaluated at school for their behavior all the time based on their behavior, their artistry, their willingness to learn and apply that knowledge. If you ever looked at a GBRS, the metrics are not just the test-- it's behavior. Which can't be prepped for.

In this area, the pressure on parents to raise "perfect" kids is blinding. Your kid didn't get into AAP because your kid is not gifted. That doesn't mean you have failed or you are justified in making awful assumptions. Your kids are special and loved and smart because you love them. But when you feel justified to hate AAP parents and their kids, you've shown all of the AAP parents the real reasons your kids didn't make it.

Hurllllll!!!!

Just look at your post. Your are assuming that somehow these "tests" magically and precisely measure intelligence, and second grade teachers observing behavior are qualified to precisely evaluate students, with no parental pressure, knowledge of LD, excessive shyness, etc. You boldly claim if you are not selected for AAP you are not gifted. But wait...that's OK...you can still love your kid and he is still special!!

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You are making a terrible generalization about thousands of children that most AAP kids are test taking drones lacking happiness or the skills to make it in the real world.

+1 This gross generalization does not at all agree with my impressions of both what the selection committee looked for, and what I see in the kids in my child's AAP cohort.

The work samples we submitted, for example, which the AART agreed were a good support, aimed to evidence creativity, curiosity, and sustained effort in areas of interest, even if some of those weren't strictly academic. What I see from the kids in AAP is that in addition to being smart, they also happen to be socially savvy, loud, ask a lot of questions, don't wait to hear the answer sometimes, want to explain to you why they think the way they think, and in many cases talk and think so far outside the box you kinda wish there was a box nearby. The vast majority of them are anything but robots.

+10000

AAP Parents are not pushing their kids to being drone test takers. The tests are ALREADY easy for these kids. The kids are evaluated at school for their behavior all the time based on their behavior, their artistry, their willingness to learn and apply that knowledge. If you ever looked at a GBRS, the metrics are not just the test-- it's behavior. Which can't be prepped for.

In this area, the pressure on parents to raise "perfect" kids is blinding. Your kid didn't get into AAP because your kid is not gifted. That doesn't mean you have failed or you are justified in making awful assumptions. Your kids are special and loved and smart because you love them. But when you feel justified to hate AAP parents and their kids, you've shown all of the AAP parents the real reasons your kids didn't make it.

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Anonymous wrote:Exclusion is an unnecessary violence.

When the kids get to the real world they will be excluded from things for a lot of reasons, including:

Bad Grades = don't get hired by top firms.
Bad Grades = don't get into top colleges.

Perfect Example of misunderstanding

GRADES DO NOT MATTER IN THE REAL WORLD

No Social Skills, Can't play politics = will top out at 100k max

I'll take my smart but also well adjusted (due to not obsessing over test prep and grades) against your robot non creative test freak any day of the week. Along with every other corporation in America (including top firms).

You are making a terrible generalization about thousands of children that most AAP kids are test taking drones lacking happiness or the skills to make it in the real world.

+1 This gross generalization does not at all agree with my impressions of both what the selection committee looked for, and what I see in the kids in my child's AAP cohort.

The work samples we submitted, for example, which the AART agreed were a good support, aimed to evidence creativity, curiosity, and sustained effort in areas of interest, even if some of those weren't strictly academic. What I see from the kids in AAP is that in addition to being smart, they also happen to be socially savvy, loud, ask a lot of questions, don't wait to hear the answer sometimes, want to explain to you why they think the way they think, and in many cases talk and think so far outside the box you kinda wish there was a box nearby. The vast majority of them are anything but robots.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exclusion is an unnecessary violence.

When the kids get to the real world they will be excluded from things for a lot of reasons, including:

Bad Grades = don't get hired by top firms.
Bad Grades = don't get into top colleges.

Perfect Example of misunderstanding

GRADES DO NOT MATTER IN THE REAL WORLD

No Social Skills, Can't play politics = will top out at 100k max

I'll take my smart but also well adjusted (due to not obsessing over test prep and grades) against your robot non creative test freak any day of the week. Along with every other corporation in America (including top firms).

You are making a terrible generalization about thousands of children that most AAP kids are test taking drones lacking happiness or the skills to make it in the real world.