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liamw wrote:YOU don't have to do them, you don't have to say a word, but why should I not be allowed to do it because you don't like hearing it, what makes your right to not hear it more important than my right to do it?

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You are allowed to do it, and the government can't pass laws to stop you.

The government is not permitted to pass laws or take actions in support of or explicitly adverse to any religion. When the government does something like prohibit prayer in public schools, the reason for that is that if teachers (who are employees of the state) were to use public school facilities to proselytize, that would be a government endorsement of religion, which is not permitted under the 1st Amendment.

The same with putting up statues of the 10 Commandments on a court house lawn or a crèche on the state capitol lawn. That creates an implicit endorsement of Christianity from the government, which is not permitted under the 1st Amendment.

Freedom of religion must also cover freedom from religion, because not having a religion has to also be a valid choice or the government is effectively endorsing religion in favor of non-religion. The government must treat all belief systems equally - if one religion is barred from using a public space to proselytize, then the same prohibition must apply to all religions AND atheists. If a public space is going to be used to support one religion, the public space must be available to all religions and atheists for similar purposes.

If religious institutions are permitted to advertise on Metro busses, which are owned by the government, then atheists must also be permitted to advertise.

The government can't deny an FCC license to a religious broadcaster because of the religious message (be it Christian, Hindu, Muslim or Mormon), nor could they deny a license to an atheist because of the message.

You have every right to stand on a street corner and proselytize, if you choose to, and the government can only stop you if you are doing something that would be stopped regardless of what the person was saying (i.e., you can't stand IN the street and claim that you have a 1st Amendment right to proselytize there, because the cops would ticket you and/or arrest you regardless of your message).

My issue comes in when the Muslim I went to school with was allowed to pray as is required by their religion, how ever I was suspended for wearing a shirt that stated "in the event of rapture this shirt will be unmanned" The double standard is where I have the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Since you don't have a soul. Is it ok to kill you like a bug or a mouse?

Since I don't think you have a soul, is it ok for me to kill you like a big or a mouse?

No my logic and beliefs hold that I have a soul and my God has described murder of a human as a sin . If I were totally atheist I would logically conclude a mouse and human have equal universal value which is essentially nothing.

NP - this is what troubles me about religious people...That without a supreme being, they become nihilists.

Atheists can believe that life has meaning because it feels like it has meaning. We have an interest in our own lives. We don't want you to end those lives. Not because of what's going to happen for all eternity, but because we care about our lives now.

And, I will add, that the mouse and the bug also have an interest in their own lives. I think you shouldn't kill them willy nilly, either.

liamw wrote:YOU don't have to do them, you don't have to say a word, but why should I not be allowed to do it because you don't like hearing it, what makes your right to not hear it more important than my right to do it?

liamw wrote:YOU don't have to do them, you don't have to say a word, but why should I not be allowed to do it because you don't like hearing it, what makes your right to not hear it more important than my right to do it?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you make fun of those who believe?

Anonymously or not?

OP here. No, I am uncomfortable around them though.

You realize you are pre judging them based on thier beliefs, isn't that what you don't want them to do to you.

They don't know that I am uncomfortable.

So it is okay to be prejudice if the person you are prejudice against does not know?

Yes, but I am not prejudiced.

But you judge somebody based on something they wear or use to decorate their house, not on the content of their character. So you are pre-judging, you may not knowingly discriminate, but you are pre-judging.

OP here. I am using past experiences to form an opinion. I usually do not get along for very long with people who are extremely religious. It would not make sense to get close to a Christian fundamentalist since it is just a matter of time before they offend me or vice versa.

Is this also true about politics? Or just religion?

I actually do the opposite, I expose myself to all types of people and challenge myself to accept people even when I don't agree with their ideology. I am very surprised how much I can like and respect somebody who has a belief system way different than myself.

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liamw wrote:YOU don't have to do them, you don't have to say a word, but why should I not be allowed to do it because you don't like hearing it, what makes your right to not hear it more important than my right to do it?

You're talking in circles. First you say you have a right not to hear "god is false mumbo jumbo", then you say you have a right to say "god exists mumbo jumbo" whenever you want and I can just deal. You're kind of stupid. Which maybe exists why you believe in god.

liamw wrote:YOU don't have to do them, you don't have to say a word, but why should I not be allowed to do it because you don't like hearing it, what makes your right to not hear it more important than my right to do it?

liamw wrote:YOU don't have to do them, you don't have to say a word, but why should I not be allowed to do it because you don't like hearing it, what makes your right to not hear it more important than my right to do it?

liamw wrote:The constitution gives of freedom of religion not freedom from it, I have no issue with an atheist as long as they do not attack the way me or my children worship. If you find me praying offensive you don't have to listen, so why should I have to listen to the "God is fake mumbo jumbo"

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Anonymous wrote:Do you make fun of those who believe?

Anonymously or not?

OP here. No, I am uncomfortable around them though.

You realize you are pre judging them based on thier beliefs, isn't that what you don't want them to do to you.

They don't know that I am uncomfortable.

So it is okay to be prejudice if the person you are prejudice against does not know?

Yes, but I am not prejudiced.

But you judge somebody based on something they wear or use to decorate their house, not on the content of their character. So you are pre-judging, you may not knowingly discriminate, but you are pre-judging.

OP here. I am using past experiences to form an opinion. I usually do not get along for very long with people who are extremely religious. It would not make sense to get close to a Christian fundamentalist since it is just a matter of time before they offend me or vice versa.

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Anonymous wrote:NP of course it's possible to be an atheist and still believe murder is wrong. One does not have to be religious to have ethics and morals. PS I do not kill mice or bugs, nor do I eat meat, and I also am an atheist.

That's a religion. Hate to break it to you. And it's just as dumb as any other religion.

By what definition is that a religion?

Religion is believing your ethics and morals developed by your feelings are more valid than the values and ethics Hitler developed from his own feelings .

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Anonymous wrote:Since you don't have a soul. Is it ok to kill you like a bug or a mouse?

Since I don't think you have a soul, is it ok for me to kill you like a big or a mouse?

No my logic and beliefs hold that I have a soul and my God has described murder of a human as a sin . If I were totally atheist I would logically conclude a mouse and human have equal universal value which is essentially nothing.