Anonymous wrote:I am an otherwise, normal looking guy with a pacemaker/ICD that maxes my heart rate at 125 bpm from a life threatening birth defect. Sometimes it is difficult for me to park far from the store especially during extremes of hot, cold, high winds, etc.

My wife encourages me to get a parking pass for it but I don't because cunts like you are too busy judging people who don't "look" disabled. Focus on digging out that big fat bug up your ass and mind your own fucking business. Are you the whore on the other thread who sucked 36 dicks in one night?

I'm sure your obvious anger issue doesn't help the heart issue. Your wife must be amazing to put up with your ass.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll make a deal with you. If I EVER see a person in a wheelchair waiting for the stall when I come out on the rare times I do use one, I'll report back here immediately. Should happen sometime between now and never. It has NEVER happened.

Have you seen anyone yet?

Nope! Spent the ENTIRE summer at the pool. Haven't had it happen yet.

The fact that you think your anecdote about summer at the pool (the pool!!!) is a good statistical analysis of whether motorically disabled handicapped persons are waiting behind able-bodied people to use handicapped bathroom stalls really says a lot about your critical thinking skills.

A family friend and I went to a club. She used her placard and the officer wanted to see papers on it to make sure it was actually hers smh. Thanks God she actually had them. She had a placard because she has a brain tumor.

Anonymous wrote:Guess Thursday was too quiet and we had to stir up this old Handicapped parking hornet's nest?? Dumb.

Well, I would have to agree. However, I am the PP that this question was directed to. And I can assure this person, nope. Still hasn't happened. But don't worry, there's still "until never" to hope for. In the meantime, though, I did check with someone I know who works for an organization serving Deaf (not mute) and disabled individuals. She said no one in her organization expects a handicap stall to never be used by able-bodied individuals. But I do promise. If I ever encounter the scenario presented, knowing that you're still interested, I will report immediately, so no need to revive the thread to ask.

Guess Thursday was too quiet and we had to stir up this old Handicapped parking hornet's nest?? Dumb.

Still no one?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll make a deal with you. If I EVER see a person in a wheelchair waiting for the stall when I come out on the rare times I do use one, I'll report back here immediately. Should happen sometime between now and never. It has NEVER happened.

Have you seen anyone yet?

Nope! Spent the ENTIRE summer at the pool. Haven't had it happen yet.

Anonymous wrote:I'll make a deal with you. If I EVER see a person in a wheelchair waiting for the stall when I come out on the rare times I do use one, I'll report back here immediately. Should happen sometime between now and never. It has NEVER happened.

Have you seen anyone yet?

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Anonymous wrote:Since we are on a rant here...WTF people and handicap bathrooms. Am I the only one in the world who gets pissed when there are tons of open bathrooms and people go use the handicaped ones?

Yeah, yeah...you can't judge etc. Save the handicaped bathrooms for people who need them.

Why? It doesn't use the handicapped stall up, when a non-handicapped person uses it.

Now obviously it's different if a person plans to occupy the handicapped stall for a long time, or if a person who could use any stall rushes into the handicapped stall ahead of a person who can only conveniently use the handicapped stall.

+1. I'll use it if no one is otherwise waiting for it if I need to change clothes or I have my 5 year old daughter with me. They aren't dedicated bathrooms; they're available. But obviously I'm not heading in there if someone needs it is behind me.

For someone in a wheelchair that needs to do a lateral transfer in order to get on/off the toilet, the added space next to the toilet is vital. Without that extra space there would be no way for them to make the transfer. While on the other hand, a normal size stall has sufficient space to change clothes or attend to a 5 year old.

Please, some of those stalls are ridiculous. I'm 9 months pregnant and I can barely fit in and close the dooer. I'm not even that huge: BMI 19 pre-pregnancy, gained 27 pounds since.

There are codes dictating the minimum size a normal (non-handicapped) public bathroom stall must be. The minimum is 30 inches wide and 60 inches long. Or minimum 15 inches from center of toilet to side wall and 24 inches from front of toilet to door. This is the minimum by code, not the average. In newer buildings many times they will be larger than the minimum. In old buildings, before codes, they could be smaller.

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Anonymous wrote:Since we are on a rant here...WTF people and handicap bathrooms. Am I the only one in the world who gets pissed when there are tons of open bathrooms and people go use the handicaped ones?

Yeah, yeah...you can't judge etc. Save the handicaped bathrooms for people who need them.

Why? It doesn't use the handicapped stall up, when a non-handicapped person uses it.

Now obviously it's different if a person plans to occupy the handicapped stall for a long time, or if a person who could use any stall rushes into the handicapped stall ahead of a person who can only conveniently use the handicapped stall.

+1. I'll use it if no one is otherwise waiting for it if I need to change clothes or I have my 5 year old daughter with me. They aren't dedicated bathrooms; they're available. But obviously I'm not heading in there if someone needs it is behind me.

For someone in a wheelchair that needs to do a lateral transfer in order to get on/off the toilet, the added space next to the toilet is vital. Without that extra space there would be no way for them to make the transfer. While on the other hand, a normal size stall has sufficient space to change clothes or attend to a 5 year old.

Please, some of those stalls are ridiculous. I'm 9 months pregnant and I can barely fit in and close the dooer. I'm not even that huge: BMI 19 pre-pregnancy, gained 27 pounds since.

Anonymous wrote:A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

Completely agree. Handicapped accessible, not handicapped only. Of course I would not get in one ahead of someone disabled, but have no qualms about using it otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

Actually there more similar than you think. Location of a handicap parking space is only one feature they provide. The most vital feature they provide to people that truly need them is the access aisle and barrier free route. The access aisle is very comparable to the extra space in a handicapped bathroom stall. And the barrier free route is very comparable to the wider door and grab bars. Without these extra features, those who use mobility aids, like wheelchairs and walkers, could not park or use the bathroom.

I think you missed the point.

So your saying if someone without a placard parks in a handicap parking space for just a few minutes it's ok?

You're really that stupid, aren't you? Interesting. I hear about it, but it's always interesting to see up close.

Well, I'm trying to figure out your point. It wasn't that the features are different, and apparently it's not about the time. What was your point?

Wasn't my point, but I figured it out!

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Anonymous wrote:A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

Actually there more similar than you think. Location of a handicap parking space is only one feature they provide. The most vital feature they provide to people that truly need them is the access aisle and barrier free route. The access aisle is very comparable to the extra space in a handicapped bathroom stall. And the barrier free route is very comparable to the wider door and grab bars. Without these extra features, those who use mobility aids, like wheelchairs and walkers, could not park or use the bathroom.

I think you missed the point.

So your saying if someone without a placard parks in a handicap parking space for just a few minutes it's ok?

You're really that stupid, aren't you? Interesting. I hear about it, but it's always interesting to see up close.

Well, I'm trying to figure out your point. It wasn't that the features are different, and apparently it's not about the time. What was your point?

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Anonymous wrote:A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

Actually there more similar than you think. Location of a handicap parking space is only one feature they provide. The most vital feature they provide to people that truly need them is the access aisle and barrier free route. The access aisle is very comparable to the extra space in a handicapped bathroom stall. And the barrier free route is very comparable to the wider door and grab bars. Without these extra features, those who use mobility aids, like wheelchairs and walkers, could not park or use the bathroom.

I think you missed the point.

So your saying if someone without a placard parks in a handicap parking space for just a few minutes it's ok?

You're really that stupid, aren't you? Interesting. I hear about it, but it's always interesting to see up close.

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Anonymous wrote:A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

Actually there more similar than you think. Location of a handicap parking space is only one feature they provide. The most vital feature they provide to people that truly need them is the access aisle and barrier free route. The access aisle is very comparable to the extra space in a handicapped bathroom stall. And the barrier free route is very comparable to the wider door and grab bars. Without these extra features, those who use mobility aids, like wheelchairs and walkers, could not park or use the bathroom.

I think you missed the point.

So your saying if someone without a placard parks in a handicap parking space for just a few minutes it's ok?