Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ask ANY African, European African or Caribbean African what they really think about African Americans attitudes, crime and violence. Buckle up for a truly enlightening conversation.

+1.

Oh please! This not some profound statement. Most AA's know what Africans and Caribbeans think. It is no secret. Geez!

Shocking that many Africans and Caribbeans are tribal and racist.

Not following you. What do you mean?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ask ANY African, European African or Caribbean African what they really think about African Americans attitudes, crime and violence. Buckle up for a truly enlightening conversation.

+1.

Oh please! This not some profound statement. Most AA's know what Africans and Caribbeans think. It is no secret. Geez!

Shocking that many Africans and Caribbeans are tribal and racist.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ask ANY African, European African or Caribbean African what they really think about African Americans attitudes, crime and violence. Buckle up for a truly enlightening conversation.

+1.

Oh please! This not some profound statement. Most AA's know what Africans and Caribbeans think. It is no secret. Geez!

Agree. It appears that the original poster thinks somehow the fact that black people from somewhere else look down on Black Americans is some kind of evidence that Black Americans are dysfunctional and flawed. But the reality is that in this country we have a history of people immigrating to our shores whose first move is to try to disassociate themselves from the people at the bottom so they can be accepted by whites at the top.

The book "How the Irish Became White" describes how Irish immigrants (once thought of as a separate race from the British and once sympathetic to the antislavery movement) sought to separate themselves from Blacks once they immigrated to the US. It's also been documented that some Caribbean immigrants make a point of emphasizing their national origin in part so that whites won't assume they're American-born Blacks. And why wouldn't they? They see the kind of assumptions that whites make about Black Americans. Who would want to be treated likethat?

Yeah saying that Africans, and Black people from other parts of the world don't like Black Americans - that proves nothing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ask ANY African, European African or Caribbean African what they really think about African Americans attitudes, crime and violence. Buckle up for a truly enlightening conversation.

+1.

Oh please! This not some profound statement. Most AA's know what Africans and Caribbeans think. It is no secret. Geez!

Anonymous wrote:Ha if racist thoughts were proof of a hate crime, half of conservative offenses would be guilty of hate crimes.

New poster.

What an offensive post. You claim that half the conservatives are racists. Do you have any idea how offensive that is? Can't you debate an issue without throwing this kind of junk out there?

Bring something to the discussion that is subtantive.

Anonymous wrote:

Ask ANY African, European African or Caribbean African what they really think about African Americans attitudes, crime and violence. Buckle up for a truly enlightening conversation.

+1.

...and before you scream racist, I switched parties long before Obama and race had nothing to do with my decision to change parties.

Independent moderate poster here. No offense, but this is the type of "party line" politico-babble that keeps things from getting done.

Free yourself from the party line and you might realize that there are some Liberal policies that would benefit us all and there are Conservative policies that would benefit us all. But people are so trapped by the party line that they will not cross the aisle to find productive solutions. Everyone thinks their way is the ONLY way.

I was a liberal Dem for more years than I have been a Rep and have voted for more Dems over the course of my lifetime, so I don't think your "free yourself from the party line" rhetoric applies to me.

Bwhahahahaha

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Conservatives believe in giving people the tools/opportunities to succeed. Liberals assume they cannot. It is the difference between teaching a man to fish and giving a man a fish. Even so, conservatives recognize we need a safety just not the out of control system we have now that is not working by any stretch of the imagination.

Independent moderate poster here. No offense, but this is the type of "party line" politico-babble that keeps things from getting done.

Free yourself from the party line and you might realize that there are some Liberal policies that would benefit us all and there are Conservative policies that would benefit us all. But people are so trapped by the party line that they will not cross the aisle to find productive solutions. Everyone thinks their way is the ONLY way.

Difference is that "liberals" pretty much embrace the conservative policies that work (welfare reform was passed because Dems under Clinton pushed it; the GOP's health care reform passed because Obama & congressional dems pushed it). If only the reverse was true, we'd have a fairly effective government.

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Conservatives believe in giving people the tools/opportunities to succeed. Liberals assume they cannot. It is the difference between teaching a man to fish and giving a man a fish. Even so, conservatives recognize we need a safety just not the out of control system we have now that is not working by any stretch of the imagination.

Independent moderate poster here. No offense, but this is the type of "party line" politico-babble that keeps things from getting done.

Free yourself from the party line and you might realize that there are some Liberal policies that would benefit us all and there are Conservative policies that would benefit us all. But people are so trapped by the party line that they will not cross the aisle to find productive solutions. Everyone thinks their way is the ONLY way.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha if racist thoughts were proof of a hate crime, half of conservative offenses would be guilty of hate crimes.

The killer in Oklahoma openly tweeted he hated white people. And bragged about wanting to kill some 'woods.' That's a bit different than having thoughts.

I've never met a conservative that was racist. Liberals have done a good job painting conservatives all as racist homophobic people who hate anyone that doesn't look like them but that's not the truth. Conservatives want everyone to succeed, regardless of color. Seriously there is nothing a conservative loves more than hearing how some person from some poor country whether it be India, Laos, Somalia, Honduras, whatever, comes over here with nothing and makes a good life for themselves. Or even people in America who started with nothing and built themselves up. It's not like all conservatives are in some old white all boys club and don't want to see anyone else succeed. They want everyone to work hard and do well. Seriously. I know that doesn't fit into what a lot of liberals want people to think cause you get more votes if you polarize and depict people as hateful. But it's the truth.

He did - but the Republican DA decided that there was not enough evidence to charge him with it. I am not going to say that I know better than the DA who actually has to prove it to jury.

Really? I have met quite a few and a few racist liberals as well.

If that is the case, why are so many conservatives against all inclusive immigration reform that would give more people the opportunity to do just this?

As an independent moderate, I do not demonize conservatives or liberals. But I also do not canonize them either. I think allegiance to the "party line" actually prevents things from getting done that benefit everyone. People are so entrenched!

Exactly. Conservatives believe in giving people the tools/opportunities to succeed. Liberals assume they cannot. It is the difference between teaching a man to fish and giving a man a fish. Even so, conservatives recognize we need a safety just not the out of control system we have now that is not working by any stretch of the imagination.