Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How is saying the pledge optional?
It is not like those who do not say it can be in another room doing some other activity. If you do not say it everyone knows and that reflects badly on you. There are social consequences and teachers attitudes and so on
I've never experienced any negative consequences as a result of not saying the pledge, and I stopped saying it in elementary school. Of course, I suppose it depends on your environment. I prefer to avoid environments where not saying the pledge is assumed to reflect badly on you.
Anonymous wrote:How is saying the pledge optional?
It is not like those who do not say it can be in another room doing some other activity. If you do not say it everyone knows and that reflects badly on you. There are social consequences and teachers attitudes and so on
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My problem with it is that our child is multinational (has 4 passports) and I agree a minor cannot pledge allegiance and certainly shouldn't in our case as it isn't the truth.
The god part is the icing on the cake for being annoying (I'm from atheist socialist/communist countries so the historical addition is offensive to me).
I'm saying nothing because I don't want to my child associated with my crazy opinions but our child will learn at home what it all means.
That is truly and utterly obnoxious. But somehow, I suspect you think it's cool.
Why on earth would that be obnoxious?
Anonymous wrote:
What if reciting the pledge was mandatory?
What if you were subject to arrest or worse for refusing?
How far would you go to defend your right to not pledge allegiance to your country?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But aren't all of you anti-pledge folks glad you live in a country where its optional for you and your child to say the pledge? How far are you willing to go do defend your freedom?
First question: yes. Second question: what does that have to do with saying the pledge?
What if reciting the pledge was mandatory?
What if you were subject to arrest or worse for refusing?
How far would you go to defend your right to not pledge allegiance to your country?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My problem with it is that our child is multinational (has 4 passports) and I agree a minor cannot pledge allegiance and certainly shouldn't in our case as it isn't the truth.
The god part is the icing on the cake for being annoying (I'm from atheist socialist/communist countries so the historical addition is offensive to me).
I'm saying nothing because I don't want to my child associated with my crazy opinions but our child will learn at home what it all means.
That is truly and utterly obnoxious. But somehow, I suspect you think it's cool.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My problem with it is that our child is multinational (has 4 passports) and I agree a minor cannot pledge allegiance and certainly shouldn't in our case as it isn't the truth.
The god part is the icing on the cake for being annoying (I'm from atheist socialist/communist countries so the historical addition is offensive to me).
I'm saying nothing because I don't want to my child associated with my crazy opinions but our child will learn at home what it all means.
That is truly and utterly obnoxious. But somehow, I suspect you think it's cool.
Anonymous wrote:My problem with it is that our child is multinational (has 4 passports) and I agree a minor cannot pledge allegiance and certainly shouldn't in our case as it isn't the truth.
The god part is the icing on the cake for being annoying (I'm from atheist socialist/communist countries so the historical addition is offensive to me).
I'm saying nothing because I don't want to my child associated with my crazy opinions but our child will learn at home what it all means.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist.
Agreed. My great Aunt grew up in Nazi Germany. She also said a pledge to the flag every morning.
--Yep. Former East German. Usually only Fascists, Communists, and apparently Americans...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But aren't all of you anti-pledge folks glad you live in a country where its optional for you and your child to say the pledge? How far are you willing to go do defend your freedom?
First question: yes. Second question: what does that have to do with saying the pledge?
What if reciting the pledge was mandatory?
What if you were subject to arrest or worse for refusing?
How far would you go to defend your right to not pledge allegiance to your country?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But none of you have a problem spending or making money that says In God we trust...........
A lot of us do, actually. But we don't have a choice.
You do, you just are too much of a coward to go move someplace else and stand up for what you believe in. Go live in Kenya, they don't have that on their money.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But aren't all of you anti-pledge folks glad you live in a country where its optional for you and your child to say the pledge? How far are you willing to go do defend your freedom?
First question: yes. Second question: what does that have to do with saying the pledge?
What if reciting the pledge was mandatory?
What if you were subject to arrest or worse for refusing?
How far would you go to defend your right to not pledge allegiance to your country?
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But aren't all of you anti-pledge folks glad you live in a country where its optional for you and your child to say the pledge? How far are you willing to go do defend your freedom?
First question: yes. Second question: what does that have to do with saying the pledge?