Anonymous
06/12/2012 14:33
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Anonymous wrote:Ooops, messed up on the formating. To be completely clear.
So, this means that for every 100 kids, 33.7 kids are white and 14.3 kids are Asian. Using the WP's stat's, 48% of the 33.7 white kids tested at advanced levels, which means that 16.2 white kids (= 48% times 33.7 white kids) tested at advanced levels. For Asians, 58% of the 14.3 asian kids tested at advanced levels, in other words, 8.29 asian kids (= 58% times 14.3 asian kids) tested at advanced levels.
In plain english: for every 100 kids in MoCo, 16.2 white kids and 8.29 asian kids will be hurt by the elimination of math pathways. Again, more white kids than asian kids.
So you are wrong, wrong, wrong. . Please go away now.
Correct you messed up all right.
The poster was not referring to absolute numbers but proportional numbers based on a widening gap from data many years several years old. Today, if we had the real numbers I totally agree with the previous assertion.
If you have some different numbers to share - we are all ears.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 14:28
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Ooops, messed up on the formating. To be completely clear.
So, this means that for every 100 kids, 33.7 kids are white and 14.3 kids are Asian. Using the WP's stat's, 48% of the 33.7 white kids tested at advanced levels, which means that 16.2 white kids (= 48% times 33.7 white kids) tested at advanced levels. For Asians, 58% of the 14.3 asian kids tested at advanced levels, in other words, 8.29 asian kids (= 58% times 14.3 asian kids) tested at advanced levels.
In plain english: for every 100 kids in MoCo, 16.2 white kids and 8.29 asian kids will be hurt by the elimination of math pathways. Again, more white kids than asian kids.
So you are wrong, wrong, wrong. . Please go away now.
Correct you messed up all right.
The poster was not referring to absolute numbers but proportional numbers based on a widening gap from data many years several years old. Today, if we had the real numbers I totally agree with the previous assertion.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 14:24
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Ooops, messed up on the formating. To be completely clear.
So, this means that for every 100 kids, 33.7 kids are white and 14.3 kids are Asian. Using the WP's stat's, 48% of the 33.7 white kids tested at advanced levels, which means that 16.2 white kids (= 48% times 33.7 white kids) tested at advanced levels. For Asians, 58% of the 14.3 asian kids tested at advanced levels, in other words, 8.29 asian kids (= 58% times 14.3 asian kids) tested at advanced levels.
In plain english: for every 100 kids in MoCo, 16.2 white kids and 8.29 asian kids will be hurt by the elimination of math pathways. Again, more white kids than asian kids.
So you are wrong, wrong, wrong. . Please go away now.
I agree with your conclusion
Anonymous
06/12/2012 14:01
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Anonymous wrote:Ooops, messed up on the formating. To be completely clear.
So, this means that for every 100 kids, 33.7 kids are white and 14.3 kids are Asian. Using the WP's stat's, 48% of the 33.7 white kids tested at advanced levels, which means that 16.2 white kids (= 48% times 33.7 white kids) tested at advanced levels. For Asians, 58% of the 14.3 asian kids tested at advanced levels, in other words, 8.29 asian kids (= 58% times 14.3 asian kids) tested at advanced levels.
In plain english: for every 100 kids in MoCo, 16.2 white kids and 8.29 asian kids will be hurt by the elimination of math pathways. Again, more white kids than asian kids.
So you are wrong, wrong, wrong. . Please go away now.
Exactly what I was saying... close the thread please.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:52
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Ooops, messed up on the formating. To be completely clear.
So, this means that for every 100 kids, 33.7 kids are white and 14.3 kids are Asian. Using the WP's stat's, 48% of the 33.7 white kids tested at advanced levels, which means that 16.2 white kids (= 48% times 33.7 white kids) tested at advanced levels. For Asians, 58% of the 14.3 asian kids tested at advanced levels, in other words, 8.29 asian kids (= 58% times 14.3 asian kids) tested at advanced levels.
In plain english: for every 100 kids in MoCo, 16.2 white kids and 8.29 asian kids will be hurt by the elimination of math pathways. Again, more white kids than asian kids.
So you are wrong, wrong, wrong. . Please go away now.
So, this means that for every 100 kids, 33.7 kids are white and 14.3 kids are Asian. Using the WP's stat's, 48% of the 33.7 white kids tested at advanced levels, which means that 16.2 white kids (= 48% times 33.7 white kids) tested at advanced levels. For Asians, 58% of the 14.3 asian kids tested at advanced levels, in other words, 8.29 asian kids (= 58% times 14.3 asian kids) tested at advanced levels.
In plain english: for every 100 kids in MoCo, 16.2 white kids and 8.29 asian kids will be hurt by the elimination of math pathways. Again, more white kids than asian kids.
So you are wrong, wrong, wrong. . Please go away now.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:50
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Anonymous wrote:WTF? Do you think referring to non-existent numbers proves your point? If you mean the numbers you posted on racial composition across MoCo, that's completely worthless. What you need to make a meaningful point would be the racial composition of kids who were doing advanced math in the old days of Pathways, so we can see exactly who was cut off from advanced math.
Let's wait for the Washington Post to settle the argument once again.
Sigh. OK, I'll do the numbers for you, since your own numerical understanding is apparently limited.
Here is the relevant section from the WP article you linked to: "In Maryland, that same pattern was apparent on reading tests. The percentage of Asian American students who tested in advanced levels grew from 40 percent to 58 percent between 2006 and 2009. The percentage of white students in that category grew from 35 percent to 48 percent."
Here are the demographics: Demographics
? 33.7 percent White
? 21.2 percent African American
? 26.0 percent Hispanic
? 14.3 percent Asian American
? 4.4 percent Two or more races
? 0.2 percent American Indian/Alaskan Native
? 0.1 percent Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
So, this means that for every 100 kids, 33.7 kids are white and 14.3 kids are Asian. Using the WP's stat's, 48% of the 33.7 white kids tested at advanced levels, which means that 16.2 white kids (= 48% times 33.7 white kids) tested at advanced levels. For Asians, 58% of the 14.3 asian kids tested at advanced levels, in other words, 8.29 asian kids (= 58% times 14.3 asian kids) tested at advanced levels.
So you are wrong, [b]wrong, wrong[/b]. Please go away now.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:40
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
WTF? Do you think referring to non-existent numbers proves your point? If you mean the numbers you posted on racial composition across MoCo, that's completely worthless. What you need to make a meaningful point would be the racial composition of kids who were doing advanced math in the old days of Pathways, so we can see exactly who was cut off from advanced math.
Let's wait for the Washington Post to settle the argument once again.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:36
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Anonymous wrote:What above calculations? Where? If anything, it looks like two PPs have proven you wrong on the stats.
OK, we give up! You're right! All MCPS cares about is stuffing those uppity asian kids back down in their place! MCPS doesn't give a fig about closing the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic kids, no way! MCPS doesn't want to help out AA and hispanic kids, that's crazy talk! MCPS doesn't give two cents about widespread cricitism that advanced kids can't do high-school-level math, no sirreee! *All* MCPS cares about is getting even with those uppity asians! And especially, PP, with your kid! MCPS definitely has it out for your kid!
Happy now?
Only if you are happy
Well, it was sort of fun to write that, I confess
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:34
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Anonymous wrote:If the data from the Post article and study cited are correct no one has to be a racist to conclude from their proportional representation in MCPS schools based on County population, Asian Americans in MD are proportionally affected the most by the MCPS policy of restricted advancement.
Simply do the math. I know its painful!
Let's continue with Math curriculum 2.0:
If the above calculations are correct it is certainly plausible that stopping MCPS acceleration in math for all kids from K onwards may reduce the performance gap between Asian Americans and everyone else by the 8th grade (grade point of the Washington Post story from a year ago). This may hold up particularly if MCPS fails over the long haul in providing differentiated instruction in a single classroom.
One also has to factor in the proportional aliquot (2% of current MCPS kids) of children siphoned off to HG and magnet programs over time.
WTF? Do you think referring to non-existent numbers proves your point? If you mean the numbers you posted on racial composition across MoCo, that's completely worthless. What you need to make a meaningful point would be the racial composition of kids who were doing advanced math in the old days of Pathways, so we can see exactly who was cut off from advanced math.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:30
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
What above calculations? Where? If anything, it looks like two PPs have proven you wrong on the stats.
OK, we give up! You're right! All MCPS cares about is stuffing those uppity asian kids back down in their place! MCPS doesn't give a fig about closing the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic kids, no way! MCPS doesn't want to help out AA and hispanic kids, that's crazy talk! MCPS doesn't give two cents about widespread cricitism that advanced kids can't do high-school-level math, no sirreee! *All* MCPS cares about is getting even with those uppity asians! And especially, PP, with your kid! MCPS definitely has it out for your kid!
Happy now?
Only if you are happy
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:27
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Anonymous wrote:If the data from the Post article and study cited are correct no one has to be a racist to conclude from their proportional representation in MCPS schools based on County population, Asian Americans in MD are proportionally affected the most by the MCPS policy of restricted advancement.
Simply do the math. I know its painful!
Let's continue with Math curriculum 2.0:
If the above calculations are correct it is certainly plausible that stopping MCPS acceleration in math for all kids from K onwards may reduce the performance gap between Asian Americans and everyone else by the 8th grade (grade point of the Washington Post story from a year ago). This may hold up particularly if MCPS fails over the long haul in providing differentiated instruction in a single classroom.
One also has to factor in the proportional aliquot (2% of current MCPS kids) of children siphoned off to HG and magnet programs over time.
What above calculations? Where? If anything, it looks like two PPs have proven you wrong on the stats.
OK, we give up! You're right! All MCPS cares about is stuffing those uppity asian kids back down in their place! MCPS doesn't give a fig about closing the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic kids, no way! MCPS doesn't want to help out AA and hispanic kids, that's crazy talk! MCPS doesn't give two cents about widespread cricitism that advanced kids can't do high-school-level math, no sirreee! *All* MCPS cares about is getting even with those uppity asians! And especially, PP, with your kid! MCPS definitely has it out for your kid!
Happy now?
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:23
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
From MCPS
Demographics
? 33.7 percent White
? 21.2 percent African American
? 26.0 percent Hispanic
? 14.3 percent Asian American
? 4.4 percent Two or more races
? 0.2 percent American Indian/Alaskan Native
? 0.1 percent Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
I appreciate this information. It may help quell the reflexive hurling around of flames of racism from the clueless.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:19
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
If the data from the Post article and study cited are correct no one has to be a racist to conclude from their proportional representation in MCPS schools based on County population, Asian Americans in MD are proportionally affected the most by the MCPS policy of restricted advancement.
Simply do the math. I know its painful!
Let's continue with Math curriculum 2.0:
If the above calculations are correct it is certainly plausible that stopping MCPS acceleration in math for all kids from K onwards may reduce the performance gap between Asian Americans and everyone else by the 8th grade (grade point of the Washington Post story from a year ago). This may hold up particularly if MCPS fails over the long haul in providing differentiated instruction in a single classroom.
One also has to factor in the proportional aliquot (2% of current MCPS kids) of children siphoned off to HG and magnet programs over time.
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:15
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
From MCPS
Demographics
? 33.7 percent White
? 21.2 percent African American
? 26.0 percent Hispanic
? 14.3 percent Asian American
? 4.4 percent Two or more races
? 0.2 percent American Indian/Alaskan Native
? 0.1 percent Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
Demographics
? 33.7 percent White
? 21.2 percent African American
? 26.0 percent Hispanic
? 14.3 percent Asian American
? 4.4 percent Two or more races
? 0.2 percent American Indian/Alaskan Native
? 0.1 percent Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
Anonymous
06/12/2012 13:12
Subject: Re:To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
Anonymous wrote:If the data from the Post article and study cited are correct no one has to be a racist to conclude from their proportional representation in MCPS schools based on County population, Asian Americans in MD are proportionally affected the most by the MCPS policy of restricted advancement.
Simply do the math. I know its painful!
If I do the math, I will never, ever, find there are more Asian kids than white kids in MD. Even you do this proportionately, by the share of "high achievers" in each racial group, there will still be more white high achievers than asian high achievers.
Here's a question you still haven't answered:
How would some theoretical white Moco Old Guard benefit by preventing white kids from doing advanced math? Would the slap at Asians provide a psychological satisfaction that compensates for the damage to their own, white kids? Or is this whole idea crazy?