Anonymous wrote:We are Christian, not Catholic, and considering the Heights for middle school, based on son's friend's (also not Catholic) great experience.

I am clueless about Opus Dei and what it means so can someone post a link to a credible, objective website where I can read about Opus Dei?

thanks

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Anonymous wrote:No direct experience, but a close friend had a son at The Heights. They were astounded at the anti-vax sentiments by what seemed like a majority and left.

You mean the experimental vaccine that doesn't stop people from getting COVID, doesn't stop people from spreading COVID, and for which more and more evidence is coming to light every day regarding harmful side effects like heart disease in otherwise healthy young males? That vaccine? Yeah, you might find a healthy sentiment against it at The Heights.

This is what you get at The Heights. So buyer beware.

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Anonymous wrote:No direct experience, but a close friend had a son at The Heights. They were astounded at the anti-vax sentiments by what seemed like a majority and left.

You mean the experimental vaccine that doesn't stop people from getting COVID, doesn't stop people from spreading COVID, and for which more and more evidence is coming to light every day regarding harmful side effects like heart disease in otherwise healthy young males? That vaccine? Yeah, you might find a healthy sentiment against it at The Heights.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course The Heights should stay as it is. But be clear, the Vatican recently implemented rules to assure that No Opus Dei can become bishops. Opus Dei, to Catholics, is a conservative offshoot of Catholicism. And the Diocese does not include The Heights. Frankly Opus Dei is a chilling offshoot and I wish they wouldn’t call themselves Catholic.

This is a misrepresentation of what the Vatican ordered. According to Catholic News Agency, the prelate (head) of Opus Dei may no longer be a bishop. That doesn't mean that bishops may not be affiliated with Opus Dei or participate in its formation, retreats, recollections, etc. There are bishops and diocesan priests whose ministries are not centered around Opus Dei but who are part of Opus Dei. Does that make sense?

I am not personally part of Opus Dei, but I find its focus on growing in holiness through our everyday lives to be valuable. Most people who attend Opus Dei activities aren't officially "members" of Opus Dei.

FWIW we have a son at The Heights and love it. It's not perfect, but no place is perfect.

Here's a link to the CNA article I mentioned above: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/252270/opus-dei-s-prelate-asks-for-prayers-for-reform-ordered-by-pope-francis

Thank you so much for clarifying this, PP.

I find this board’s persistent criticism of the Heights to be really strange. Lots of people who criticize the Catholic Church for being a hierarchical corrupt institution also criticize the Heights for being an offshoot that the (corrupt, hierarchical!) Archdiocese doesn’t officially recognize as a Catholic school. I think people mean this criticism to be something like “OMG, EVEN the awful Catholic Church thinks Opus Dei is awful!” But that’s not what it looks like to me at all. Opus Dei has a lot of lay people (and some clergy too) who run programs and schools independently from the church hierarchy. I think it’s an example of lay people putting the clergy in its place and saying, look, we can live as good Catholics on our own.

No, it's not that. They are far right of Catholics in theological expectations and behavior. Pretty much the worst stereotypes of Catholicism come from the beliefs and dogma of off shoot groups like this, especially views about women.

Please be specific. What do you mean by “theological expectations and behavior”? Do you mean how members go to mass everyday? That’s strict but how is it far right? Tons of people go to Opus Dei programs without being members. Their programs are open even to non-Catholics. And what do you mean about the views of women? Ever female Opus Dei member I know has a professional career. Again, how is this far right or the “worst stereotype” of Catholicism?

Specifically, I was told by an Opus Dei male who asked me on a date that women are the Devils' tool to temp men into sin. Then that guy's family had to have an intervention to get him out of the Opus Dei house he was living in. That pretty much colors my entire view of Opus Dei.

I once met this Jewish guy who had some extreme ideas that I didn't agree with. Let's extrapolate that to Jewish private schools completely unrelated to him ...

Sounds legit.

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Anonymous wrote:No direct experience, but a close friend had a son at The Heights. They were astounded at the anti-vax sentiments by what seemed like a majority and left.

You mean the experimental vaccine that doesn't stop people from getting COVID, doesn't stop people from spreading COVID, and for which more and more evidence is coming to light every day regarding harmful side effects like heart disease in otherwise healthy young males? That vaccine? Yeah, you might find a healthy sentiment against it at The Heights.

This is what you get at The Heights. So buyer beware.

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Anonymous wrote:No direct experience, but a close friend had a son at The Heights. They were astounded at the anti-vax sentiments by what seemed like a majority and left.

You mean the experimental vaccine that doesn't stop people from getting COVID, doesn't stop people from spreading COVID, and for which more and more evidence is coming to light every day regarding harmful side effects like heart disease in otherwise healthy young males? That vaccine? Yeah, you might find a healthy sentiment against it at The Heights.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course The Heights should stay as it is. But be clear, the Vatican recently implemented rules to assure that No Opus Dei can become bishops. Opus Dei, to Catholics, is a conservative offshoot of Catholicism. And the Diocese does not include The Heights. Frankly Opus Dei is a chilling offshoot and I wish they wouldn’t call themselves Catholic.

This is a misrepresentation of what the Vatican ordered. According to Catholic News Agency, the prelate (head) of Opus Dei may no longer be a bishop. That doesn't mean that bishops may not be affiliated with Opus Dei or participate in its formation, retreats, recollections, etc. There are bishops and diocesan priests whose ministries are not centered around Opus Dei but who are part of Opus Dei. Does that make sense?

I am not personally part of Opus Dei, but I find its focus on growing in holiness through our everyday lives to be valuable. Most people who attend Opus Dei activities aren't officially "members" of Opus Dei.

FWIW we have a son at The Heights and love it. It's not perfect, but no place is perfect.

Here's a link to the CNA article I mentioned above: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/252270/opus-dei-s-prelate-asks-for-prayers-for-reform-ordered-by-pope-francis

Thank you so much for clarifying this, PP.

I find this board’s persistent criticism of the Heights to be really strange. Lots of people who criticize the Catholic Church for being a hierarchical corrupt institution also criticize the Heights for being an offshoot that the (corrupt, hierarchical!) Archdiocese doesn’t officially recognize as a Catholic school. I think people mean this criticism to be something like “OMG, EVEN the awful Catholic Church thinks Opus Dei is awful!” But that’s not what it looks like to me at all. Opus Dei has a lot of lay people (and some clergy too) who run programs and schools independently from the church hierarchy. I think it’s an example of lay people putting the clergy in its place and saying, look, we can live as good Catholics on our own.

No, it's not that. They are far right of Catholics in theological expectations and behavior. Pretty much the worst stereotypes of Catholicism come from the beliefs and dogma of off shoot groups like this, especially views about women.

Please be specific. What do you mean by “theological expectations and behavior”? Do you mean how members go to mass everyday? That’s strict but how is it far right? Tons of people go to Opus Dei programs without being members. Their programs are open even to non-Catholics. And what do you mean about the views of women? Ever female Opus Dei member I know has a professional career. Again, how is this far right or the “worst stereotype” of Catholicism?

Specifically, I was told by an Opus Dei male who asked me on a date that women are the Devils' tool to temp men into sin. Then that guy's family had to have an intervention to get him out of the Opus Dei house he was living in. That pretty much colors my entire view of Opus Dei.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course The Heights should stay as it is. But be clear, the Vatican recently implemented rules to assure that No Opus Dei can become bishops. Opus Dei, to Catholics, is a conservative offshoot of Catholicism. And the Diocese does not include The Heights. Frankly Opus Dei is a chilling offshoot and I wish they wouldn’t call themselves Catholic.

This is a misrepresentation of what the Vatican ordered. According to Catholic News Agency, the prelate (head) of Opus Dei may no longer be a bishop. That doesn't mean that bishops may not be affiliated with Opus Dei or participate in its formation, retreats, recollections, etc. There are bishops and diocesan priests whose ministries are not centered around Opus Dei but who are part of Opus Dei. Does that make sense?

I am not personally part of Opus Dei, but I find its focus on growing in holiness through our everyday lives to be valuable. Most people who attend Opus Dei activities aren't officially "members" of Opus Dei.

FWIW we have a son at The Heights and love it. It's not perfect, but no place is perfect.

Here's a link to the CNA article I mentioned above: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/252270/opus-dei-s-prelate-asks-for-prayers-for-reform-ordered-by-pope-francis

Thank you so much for clarifying this, PP.

I find this board’s persistent criticism of the Heights to be really strange. Lots of people who criticize the Catholic Church for being a hierarchical corrupt institution also criticize the Heights for being an offshoot that the (corrupt, hierarchical!) Archdiocese doesn’t officially recognize as a Catholic school. I think people mean this criticism to be something like “OMG, EVEN the awful Catholic Church thinks Opus Dei is awful!” But that’s not what it looks like to me at all. Opus Dei has a lot of lay people (and some clergy too) who run programs and schools independently from the church hierarchy. I think it’s an example of lay people putting the clergy in its place and saying, look, we can live as good Catholics on our own.

No, it's not that. They are far right of Catholics in theological expectations and behavior. Pretty much the worst stereotypes of Catholicism come from the beliefs and dogma of off shoot groups like this, especially views about women.

Please be specific. What do you mean by “theological expectations and behavior”? Do you mean how members go to mass everyday? That’s strict but how is it far right? Tons of people go to Opus Dei programs without being members. Their programs are open even to non-Catholics. And what do you mean about the views of women? Ever female Opus Dei member I know has a professional career. Again, how is this far right or the “worst stereotype” of Catholicism?

Specifically, I was told by an Opus Dei male who asked me on a date that women are the Devils' tool to temp men into sin. Then that guy's family had to have an intervention to get him out of the Opus Dei house he was living in. That pretty much colors my entire view of Opus Dei.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course The Heights should stay as it is. But be clear, the Vatican recently implemented rules to assure that No Opus Dei can become bishops. Opus Dei, to Catholics, is a conservative offshoot of Catholicism. And the Diocese does not include The Heights. Frankly Opus Dei is a chilling offshoot and I wish they wouldn’t call themselves Catholic.

This is a misrepresentation of what the Vatican ordered. According to Catholic News Agency, the prelate (head) of Opus Dei may no longer be a bishop. That doesn't mean that bishops may not be affiliated with Opus Dei or participate in its formation, retreats, recollections, etc. There are bishops and diocesan priests whose ministries are not centered around Opus Dei but who are part of Opus Dei. Does that make sense?

I am not personally part of Opus Dei, but I find its focus on growing in holiness through our everyday lives to be valuable. Most people who attend Opus Dei activities aren't officially "members" of Opus Dei.

FWIW we have a son at The Heights and love it. It's not perfect, but no place is perfect.

Here's a link to the CNA article I mentioned above: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/252270/opus-dei-s-prelate-asks-for-prayers-for-reform-ordered-by-pope-francis

Thank you so much for clarifying this, PP.

I find this board’s persistent criticism of the Heights to be really strange. Lots of people who criticize the Catholic Church for being a hierarchical corrupt institution also criticize the Heights for being an offshoot that the (corrupt, hierarchical!) Archdiocese doesn’t officially recognize as a Catholic school. I think people mean this criticism to be something like “OMG, EVEN the awful Catholic Church thinks Opus Dei is awful!” But that’s not what it looks like to me at all. Opus Dei has a lot of lay people (and some clergy too) who run programs and schools independently from the church hierarchy. I think it’s an example of lay people putting the clergy in its place and saying, look, we can live as good Catholics on our own.

No, it's not that. They are far right of Catholics in theological expectations and behavior. Pretty much the worst stereotypes of Catholicism come from the beliefs and dogma of off shoot groups like this, especially views about women.

Please be specific. What do you mean by “theological expectations and behavior”? Do you mean how members go to mass everyday? That’s strict but how is it far right? Tons of people go to Opus Dei programs without being members. Their programs are open even to non-Catholics. And what do you mean about the views of women? Ever female Opus Dei member I know has a professional career. Again, how is this far right or the “worst stereotype” of Catholicism?

Anonymous wrote:No direct experience, but a close friend had a son at The Heights. They were astounded at the anti-vax sentiments by what seemed like a majority and left.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course The Heights should stay as it is. But be clear, the Vatican recently implemented rules to assure that No Opus Dei can become bishops. Opus Dei, to Catholics, is a conservative offshoot of Catholicism. And the Diocese does not include The Heights. Frankly Opus Dei is a chilling offshoot and I wish they wouldn’t call themselves Catholic.

This is a misrepresentation of what the Vatican ordered. According to Catholic News Agency, the prelate (head) of Opus Dei may no longer be a bishop. That doesn't mean that bishops may not be affiliated with Opus Dei or participate in its formation, retreats, recollections, etc. There are bishops and diocesan priests whose ministries are not centered around Opus Dei but who are part of Opus Dei. Does that make sense?

I am not personally part of Opus Dei, but I find its focus on growing in holiness through our everyday lives to be valuable. Most people who attend Opus Dei activities aren't officially "members" of Opus Dei.

FWIW we have a son at The Heights and love it. It's not perfect, but no place is perfect.

Here's a link to the CNA article I mentioned above: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/252270/opus-dei-s-prelate-asks-for-prayers-for-reform-ordered-by-pope-francis

Thank you so much for clarifying this, PP.

I find this board’s persistent criticism of the Heights to be really strange. Lots of people who criticize the Catholic Church for being a hierarchical corrupt institution also criticize the Heights for being an offshoot that the (corrupt, hierarchical!) Archdiocese doesn’t officially recognize as a Catholic school. I think people mean this criticism to be something like “OMG, EVEN the awful Catholic Church thinks Opus Dei is awful!” But that’s not what it looks like to me at all. Opus Dei has a lot of lay people (and some clergy too) who run programs and schools independently from the church hierarchy. I think it’s an example of lay people putting the clergy in its place and saying, look, we can live as good Catholics on our own.

No, it's not that. They are far right of Catholics in theological expectations and behavior. Pretty much the worst stereotypes of Catholicism come from the beliefs and dogma of off shoot groups like this, especially views about women.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course The Heights should stay as it is. But be clear, the Vatican recently implemented rules to assure that No Opus Dei can become bishops. Opus Dei, to Catholics, is a conservative offshoot of Catholicism. And the Diocese does not include The Heights. Frankly Opus Dei is a chilling offshoot and I wish they wouldn’t call themselves Catholic.

This is a misrepresentation of what the Vatican ordered. According to Catholic News Agency, the prelate (head) of Opus Dei may no longer be a bishop. That doesn't mean that bishops may not be affiliated with Opus Dei or participate in its formation, retreats, recollections, etc. There are bishops and diocesan priests whose ministries are not centered around Opus Dei but who are part of Opus Dei. Does that make sense?

I am not personally part of Opus Dei, but I find its focus on growing in holiness through our everyday lives to be valuable. Most people who attend Opus Dei activities aren't officially "members" of Opus Dei.

FWIW we have a son at The Heights and love it. It's not perfect, but no place is perfect.

Here's a link to the CNA article I mentioned above: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/252270/opus-dei-s-prelate-asks-for-prayers-for-reform-ordered-by-pope-francis

Thank you so much for clarifying this, PP.

I find this board’s persistent criticism of the Heights to be really strange. Lots of people who criticize the Catholic Church for being a hierarchical corrupt institution also criticize the Heights for being an offshoot that the (corrupt, hierarchical!) Archdiocese doesn’t officially recognize as a Catholic school. I think people mean this criticism to be something like “OMG, EVEN the awful Catholic Church thinks Opus Dei is awful!” But that’s not what it looks like to me at all. Opus Dei has a lot of lay people (and some clergy too) who run programs and schools independently from the church hierarchy. I think it’s an example of lay people putting the clergy in its place and saying, look, we can live as good Catholics on our own.