Anonymous wrote:Alaska must have some very rich patients

It has nothing to do with the patients. It’s the insurance company. When there is only one doctor in town, they have no choice. In DC there are a ton to pick and chose from, thus driving costs down.

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Anonymous wrote:The disparity of pay among physicians is what is criminal. It's all part of a skewed reimbursement system that values procedures more than cognition and actually taking care of patients. And it incentives itself by just ensuring that more procedures are done, some unnecessarily because they pay so much. The technical skills and training to be a critical care doctor and a spine surgeon are not that different. And one doesn't work harder than the other. But one makes 5 times more. Or even 10 times more. It's ridiculous. And some of it is sour grapes, sure. But it's difficult when you see the same guy in the middle of the night and he makes orders of magnitude higher than you because of reimbursement schemes set up decades ago. When he's not working harder than you and didn't train any harder. Stupid.

So you think neurosurgeons don't have more technical skills than a critical care doctor? I strongly disagree with you. Procedures and surgery require more skill and they get paid accordingly. Maybe you think a consult ending with a script is the same a a 7hr surgery.

I am a new poster here, and I agree with the CCM doc above. Somehow there is this misconception that something procedural is more meaningful and more difficult than any thinking or decision making. And it isn’t about training or which is mire important. Procedures get paid more. Always. For example, if you go to your PCP with new daily headaches and some warts on your finger, he will ask you some questions about the headaches and determine whether or not this is evidence of a bigger problem (like a tumor), tension headaches, migraines, etc (a consult that may or may not end in a script). Then he will freeze your warts. At the end of it, he will bill for the consultation and the procedure. One of these requires clinical training, and may save your life. The other could be done by anyone who walks into a CVS. But which do you think pays more?

Anonymous wrote: My hubby is a radiologist specializing in breast imaging. He just finished up his fellowship and started a job in a partnership in the DC suburbs. His starting comp package is around $325k and he hopes to make partner in 5-6 years which will double his comp to $600k. Not a troll

Lots of places hire these days and let go before partnership can be made. So hang on tight...

My hubby is a radiologist specializing in breast imaging. He just finished up his fellowship and started a job in a partnership in the DC suburbs. His starting comp package is around $325k and he hopes to make partner in 5-6 years which will double his comp to $600k. Not a troll

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Shucks. No one bit.

I am not the doctor. My boyfriend is.

Now, How am I supposed to know if I should marry this doctor or not?

I don't want to settle if there are better options out there.

A girl must do her research!

Are you KIDDING me? Fewer than 5% of men make 100k. The doctor is a catch. You, on the other hand, are NOT. I hope he dumps you.

I noticed on another threads that doctors salaries much lower than other professions who responded. How are ppl doing in 2020?

Alaska must have some very rich patients

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Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to go on. The practice of not discussing and revealing salary information only benefits corporations and hospitals. This needs to serve as a guide for all job seekers, young and old.

Saw these on Glassdoor - this is the first time I see DC area salary lower than national average.

National Avg DC area
Physicians $175,929 $161,775
Surgeons $273,922 $221,039

Dentists: $132,125 $123,940
Orthodontists $243,120

These seem low. The surgeons I know in this area all started out at well over 300k

I believe these salaries are self reported. For surgeons, 5 physicians reported so it is the average of 5 surgeons, most likely right out of fellowship. I just can't see DH or any of his colleagues going on a website like glassdoor to self report their salary.

Doctors absolutely make less in this area than more rural areas. The job market here is saturated. My husband is constantly complaining that he would make so much more money if we lived elsewhere. He was offered positions paying double his current salary. He has a friend in Alaska making $900k.

Alaska seems like a good gig. I know someone who was offered $800k with 12 weeks off.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to go on. The practice of not discussing and revealing salary information only benefits corporations and hospitals. This needs to serve as a guide for all job seekers, young and old.

Saw these on Glassdoor - this is the first time I see DC area salary lower than national average.

National Avg DC area
Physicians $175,929 $161,775
Surgeons $273,922 $221,039

Dentists: $132,125 $123,940
Orthodontists $243,120

These seem low. The surgeons I know in this area all started out at well over 300k

I believe these salaries are self reported. For surgeons, 5 physicians reported so it is the average of 5 surgeons, most likely right out of fellowship. I just can't see DH or any of his colleagues going on a website like glassdoor to self report their salary.

Doctors absolutely make less in this area than more rural areas. The job market here is saturated. My husband is constantly complaining that he would make so much more money if we lived elsewhere. He was offered positions paying double his current salary. He has a friend in Alaska making $900k.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to go on. The practice of not discussing and revealing salary information only benefits corporations and hospitals. This needs to serve as a guide for all job seekers, young and old.

Saw these on Glassdoor - this is the first time I see DC area salary lower than national average.

National Avg DC area
Physicians $175,929 $161,775
Surgeons $273,922 $221,039

Dentists: $132,125 $123,940
Orthodontists $243,120

These seem low. The surgeons I know in this area all started out at well over 300k

I believe these salaries are self reported. For surgeons, 5 physicians reported so it is the average of 5 surgeons, most likely right out of fellowship. I just can't see DH or any of his colleagues going on a website like glassdoor to self report their salary.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to go on. The practice of not discussing and revealing salary information only benefits corporations and hospitals. This needs to serve as a guide for all job seekers, young and old.

Saw these on Glassdoor - this is the first time I see DC area salary lower than national average.

National Avg DC area
Physicians $175,929 $161,775
Surgeons $273,922 $221,039

Dentists: $132,125 $123,940
Orthodontists $243,120

These seem low. The surgeons I know in this area all started out at well over 300k

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Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to go on. The practice of not discussing and revealing salary information only benefits corporations and hospitals. This needs to serve as a guide for all job seekers, young and old.

Saw these on Glassdoor - this is the first time I see DC area salary lower than national average.

National Avg DC area
Physicians $175,929 $161,775
Surgeons $273,922 $221,039

Dentists: $132,125 $123,940
Orthodontists $243,120

Simple supply and demand: doctors in large cities make less than doctors in rural areas since there's more competition in big cities. Doctors in small towns kill it since they're the only game in town.

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Anonymous wrote:DH is a dual speciality doc (peds + ER) and he teaches. He makes somewhere between $350K - $400K. Hospitals all over the country are always after him but he has a cushy schedule that he loves - one that he knows he won't get anywhere else. He's also worked at the same place for over 20 years now. He's been good to them and they've been even better to him.

He's PEM-trained? Hmm, my spouse is in that field but doesn't make nearly that much--however, has not been out of training that long, and still does crazy clinical shifts and is therefore chronically sleep-deprived. I worry about burnout soon.

Yes, he's PEM-trained. We went through the same thing - the sleep deprivation did become a little scary as it almost resulted in a car accident one night. I wish I could tell you it gets better, but if yours is a workaholic like mine, it doesn't. DH loves his job - and also loves giving our family the world - so he'd work 24/7 if he could. Even though he probably makes more in his real estate investments and stocks than his actual job.

PP here. Ugh. I also work in a demanding job, no family in the area, and we have one young kid--so it's tough. I've been saying, something's gotta give. My spouse also had a near car accident a couple of years ago. Since then, we've bought a home much closer to work, so that's one step.

Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to go on. The practice of not discussing and revealing salary information only benefits corporations and hospitals. This needs to serve as a guide for all job seekers, young and old.

Saw these on Glassdoor - this is the first time I see DC area salary lower than national average.

National Avg DC area
Physicians $175,929 $161,775
Surgeons $273,922 $221,039

Dentists: $132,125 $123,940
Orthodontists $243,120

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Anonymous wrote:The disparity of pay among physicians is what is criminal. It's all part of a skewed reimbursement system that values procedures more than cognition and actually taking care of patients. And it incentives itself by just ensuring that more procedures are done, some unnecessarily because they pay so much. The technical skills and training to be a critical care doctor and a spine surgeon are not that different. And one doesn't work harder than the other. But one makes 5 times more. Or even 10 times more. It's ridiculous. And some of it is sour grapes, sure. But it's difficult when you see the same guy in the middle of the night and he makes orders of magnitude higher than you because of reimbursement schemes set up decades ago. When he's not working harder than you and didn't train any harder. Stupid.

So you think neurosurgeons don't have more technical skills than a critical care doctor? I strongly disagree with you. Procedures and surgery require more skill and they get paid accordingly. Maybe you think a consult ending with a script is the same a a 7hr surgery.

Bullshit, what makes orthodontists so special?