Anonymous
03/02/2012 14:12
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
I have no problem with gays, but this "transgender" stuff, no way. That's just sick. And with all of the debate on health care, I sure don't think that insurance -- public or private -- should be covering T-G hormone treatment or sex change operations. OMG!
Anonymous
03/02/2012 13:56
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no rational basis for denying two men or two women the same rights provided one man and one woman.
i find this interesting and i completely agree with you. my husband is anti-gay marriage and it really bothers me. whenever i say that i can't believe he, a genuinely caring and kind person in most respects, would think it's right to deny some people rights that others have, he says things like, "ok, so i want to marry two people. or my dog. or my sister. where's the line drawn?" i never know how to respond and it pisses me off royally.
Yes because you can equate gay people to dogs and gay marriages to incestous relationships. It wouldn't bother me that he is anti-gay, it would bother me that he lacks basic human decency.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 13:39
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.
that is not uncommon. Maybe both sons really hated their dad?
Wow!. Actually, half- siblings, different Dads! Also have a gay cousin (girl). It is Genetics!! The quote about hating Dad is very hurtful as youngest brother lost our Dad when he was 6, broke his heart.
well that explains it, no male role model. Environmental factors & choice, NOT genetics.
If no male model = gay son, how do you explain lesbians? And why aren't most men raised by single mothers gay?
By your math, this country should be majority queer.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 13:19
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
So OP, come out of the "closet." Especially with your "friend." I can sort of, slightly, maybe just a little respect someone who can own their opinions and not be a dirtbag undercover. But you really are the lowest of the low.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 13:18
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
I have both -- DDs and DSs. Their "wiring" is consistent with societal norms -- we did not teach them anything. The boys do what boys do and the girls do what girls do.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:55
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.
that is not uncommon. Maybe both sons really hated their dad?
Wow!. Actually, half- siblings, different Dads! Also have a gay cousin (girl). It is Genetics!! The quote about hating Dad is very hurtful as youngest brother lost our Dad when he was 6, broke his heart.
well that explains it, no male role model. Environmental factors & choice, NOT genetics.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:53
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks for making me wonder if some of our straight friends secretly think our marriage should be recognized.
sad to think pp but they probably do.
PP, If I'm one of your straight friends, I hope you know that I cried when CA passed Prop 8 and cheered for the decision overturning it and for every state recognizing marriage equality. I don't show you how excited I am about it because I don't want you to think that I'm only talking to you about it because you're gay.
And, I am happy that my kids have you in their lives because if one or more turns out to be gay or lesbian, I am glad that they will have someone in their lives that can understand them in a way that I'm unable to. And if they're straight I'm thrilled that they will be able to laugh at the absurd caricatures of gays and lesbians painted by the right-wings because they know firsthand how kind and committed you are.
+1000
+1000.
OP, you're a douchebag.
No, I'm not. If you knew me, you would never say that, either. Just relaying how I feel. I have respect for the posts here, for and against my views.
If I knew you, of course I wouldn't think so, because you're hiding your "feelings." If I knew how you really felt, trust me: I'd think you were a douchebag.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:44
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:
News flash: There are PLENTY of people who feel this way. While I take offense, my ultimate goal is NOT to change the mindsets of these people. Like I said, you are entitled to feel and think whatever you want, as long as you aren't in a position to actively oppress anyone and as long as you don't bring these feelings to the forefront while I'm dealing with you. Otherwise, what.the.fuck.ever.
BTW, I don't see most folks here saying that gays shouldn't marry and/or have kids. Maybe 2 posters at best...not exactly a sweep.
I count a few more than two, but I do hear the rational voices.
And you have a point -- people can and will think whatever they want. But in many states, gay rights issues are being put to a popular vote. My partner and I were married in California 4 days before the people of that great state voted to outlaw gay marriage.
So what people think DOES have the power to oppress me.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:43
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.
that is not uncommon. Maybe both sons really hated their dad?
Wow!. Actually, half- siblings, different Dads! Also have a gay cousin (girl). It is Genetics!! The quote about hating Dad is very hurtful as youngest brother lost our Dad when he was 6, broke his heart.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:41
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Just because I don't agree with you (gay marriage) does not mean I FEAR you or HATE you.
Sure it does. The anti-gay-marriage movement boils down to "I believe that gays are less than me." No other way around it. None.
No, it doesn't. And to insist that it does reveals a mental disconnect on your part.
NP here - if certain people are denied rights that others have, that those certain people want, how are they not being treated as lesser beings?
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:38
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:There is no rational basis for denying two men or two women the same rights provided one man and one woman.
i find this interesting and i completely agree with you. my husband is anti-gay marriage and it really bothers me. whenever i say that i can't believe he, a genuinely caring and kind person in most respects, would think it's right to deny some people rights that others have, he says things like, "ok, so i want to marry two people. or my dog. or my sister. where's the line drawn?" i never know how to respond and it pisses me off royally.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:34
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, what you've done is insulted women on this thread who very well may be amongst your most ardent supporters.
Nice, real nice. You may not know this after being on DCUM for so long, but you don't have to respond to bitchiness by being a bitch yourself.
Rise above.
BTW, I'm black. I have ZERO problems with folks who have a problem with interracial marriage or even those who harbor stereotypical mindsets about black people. Unless you are harming and/or attempting to oppress black people, you can think whatever the hell you want. Trying to get everyone to accept you is a wasted effort.
You know what? If this thread were about how icky black people are, and how they don't deserve to marry or raise kids, and how my kids shouldn't be exposed to them too early because seeing black people is confusing.... I kind think your inner bitch would be making an appearance.
FWIW, I didn't mean any of that. Well, except for the part about the yoga pants.
News flash: There are PLENTY of people who feel this way. While I take offense, my ultimate goal is NOT to change the mindsets of these people. Like I said, you are entitled to feel and think whatever you want, as long as you aren't in a position to actively oppress anyone and as long as you don't bring these feelings to the forefront while I'm dealing with you. Otherwise, what.the.fuck.ever.
BTW, I don't see most folks here saying that gays shouldn't marry and/or have kids. Maybe 2 posters at best...not exactly a sweep.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:30
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Just because I don't agree with you (gay marriage) does not mean I FEAR you or HATE you.
Sure it does. The anti-gay-marriage movement boils down to "I believe that gays are less than me." No other way around it. None.
No, it doesn't. And to insist that it does reveals a mental disconnect on your part.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:29
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, since we're confessing our deep seated prejudices, I'm a lesbian and....
I think SAHMs are living half a life and after about 10 minutes at home, their brains start to decay till they literally become as intelligent and interesting as their infants.
I think WOHMs who hire and proceed to micromanage their nannys should never have had children to begin with. Those are little people, lady, not fashion accessories.
I think anyone who pays $1M for a house and anything at all for education before college is a pretentious moron.
I think $1,500 double strollers are a sign of the apocalypse.
I think those yoga pants make your ass look HUGE.
I'm sorry, I think I got off the subject.... what were you saying about me again?
So, what you've done is insulted women on this thread who very well may be amongst your most ardent supporters.
Nice, real nice. You may not know this after being on DCUM for so long, but you don't have to respond to bitchiness by being a bitch yourself.
Rise above.
BTW, I'm black. I have ZERO problems with folks who have a problem with interracial marriage or even those who harbor stereotypical mindsets about black people. Unless you are harming and/or attempting to oppress black people, you can think whatever the hell you want. Trying to get everyone to accept you is a wasted effort.
The thing is, it can't exist in a vacuum. Of course I don't try to convert every racist into a non-racist, but if the person is in any position of power at all, their racist views do harm black people. A racist teacher, a racist healthcare provider, a racist cop, a racist judge, a racist employer....
Agreed, which is why I said "Unless you are harming and/or attempting to oppress black people, you can think whatever the hell you want.
There are PLENTY of powerless racists. I couldn't care less what they think about black people.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 12:23
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
OP is looking for cover with her initial statement. Some are more than ready to provide it. I'm not. I think she should feel shame, and let that burn in. Maybe then she will realize she's wrong.