PP: Yes!

Anonymous wrote:Wow. If this continues, the AAP selection process is going to end up going back to requiring individual WISC testing for the application like they did in the 90's.

Wrong, old timer here whose children were in elementary school back in the rock ages. WISC was never required, allowed to be used, but never required. Wait, random thinking here (happens in the "older ones") maybe it was after the student hit the magic score on the OLSAT that was given to all 2nd graders prior to going to the CogAT. No. 1 DS didn't hit that magic number so it wasn't pursued. No. 2 DS came along with the CogAT and was in. Guess all I am trying to say is to be truly fair the playing field should be leveled and as long as there are ways for parents who have the means, both intellectually and financially, to prep in whatever means that is, it will not be fair for those students with the ability and not the parental support. I don't have a personal bone in this, just the concern that all children have the opportunity, so for that reason, I'll go back and crawl under my rock.

Anonymous wrote:Wow. If this continues, the AAP selection process is going to end up going back to requiring individual WISC testing for the application like they did in the 90's.

That would be more reliable. The group testing is a bit of a joke -- especially since so many people are apparently prepping. A kid has a bad day and they are doomed. Seems silly to me.

Anonymous wrote:Prepping is the norm among certain groups. I'm sure you'll see it in the difference in scores between last year's NNAT (few people had the chance to prep) and this year's Cogat scores for certain children (ie current 2nd graders).

Maybe the schools should prep ALL the students so everyone has the same advantage. I wonder what would happen then.

I think that the committee will look for continuity between the NNAT score and the cogat score. It seems to be a trend to prep for the cogat if the kid bombs the NNAT, so a low NNAT with a high cogat may be a red flag.

If the committee does that, it will be the first time they have done so over the past several years. The committee can look at trends, and a single "bad" score does not constitute a trend.

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Anonymous wrote:Prepping is the norm among certain groups. I'm sure you'll see it in the difference in scores between last year's NNAT (few people had the chance to prep) and this year's Cogat scores for certain children (ie current 2nd graders).

They changed the CogAT this year and scores were naturally higher overall.

I think that the committee will look for continuity between the NNAT score and the cogat score. It seems to be a trend to prep for the cogat if the kid bombs the NNAT, so a low NNAT with a high cogat may be a red flag.

Anonymous wrote:Prepping is the norm among certain groups. I'm sure you'll see it in the difference in scores between last year's NNAT (few people had the chance to prep) and this year's Cogat scores for certain children (ie current 2nd graders).

They changed the CogAT this year and scores were naturally higher overall.

Prepping is the norm among certain groups. I'm sure you'll see it in the difference in scores between last year's NNAT (few people had the chance to prep) and this year's Cogat scores for certain children (ie current 2nd graders).

No matter how much you prep, there is no way that you can make a kid smarter. If you succeed in doing that, then AAP would work great for your kid, because it means that the kid really needs the extra stimulation in order to perform at his/her full potential.

I can't know for sure, but I, for one asked a bunch of questions about prep, but then decided not to do anything. I wouldn't assume everyone who is asking questions is actually prepping or going to. And, NEVER, have I had a conversation with a parent IN PERSON (as opposed to anonymous poster) who has prepped or plans to prep. I don't know, but I'm inclined to think it is not as widespread a phenomenon as this board makes it seem.

If you really believe that prepping works...
The only advantage it gives, is getting kids to feel comfortable with the test formats. I don't think there is anything other than advertising claims that they actually raise scores significantly.

If you two could stop bickering for a minute, you might want to know that an AAPAC member has been frequenting these boards. The committee is well aware of how much prepping is going on and you are only going to make your own battle to get into AAP harder in the future if you continue down this road.

And, btw, why are *you* here, if not to learn more about the process and better prepare your kids?

Are you that obnoxious or are you trying to pick a fight? Who cares why these people ask such questions? If you don't want to answer, butt out...

Anonymous wrote:No, relax, I'm just curious! My child is still in K - but I'd like to be educated when the time comes

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the only reason anyone would want to know the form and level of a test that their kid will not take for 2 years is because they are looking for prep materials