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Anonymous wrote:The students fulfilled all requirements to earn an FCPS diploma, and therefore should participate in all the ceremonies of graduation.

It doesn't matter that they failed to earn the extra math credit that's specifically for TJ. Otherwise you're telling them that other kids who did much worse than them in other FCPS schools can walk, but they cannot, just because they're in a different building??? That's patently unfair on the face of it.

Also, the letter families received was only a few days before graduation, leaving them with only a very short period of time to appeal. That's just plain mean.

Why is TJ nitpicking, for God's sakes? These kids have a failed math class on their transcripts, but have still graduation requirements. Why shame them further?

See part in bold.

TJ is not an FCPS school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

Nobody hates these kids, we pity them. We are angry with FCPS board for using these kids as props in their diversity virtue signalling and we should do our best to prevent kids finding themselves in this situation going forward.

How is it any of your concern if it’s not your child? Why are you pitying anyone? And are you SURE they’re all the poor/non-Asian ones? You certainly seem to be doing the opposite of virtue signaling.

Your side trots out tax dollars as the reason we should include people from every middle school. Can I trot out the waste of tax dollars as a reason to create a minimum level of objectively demonstrated proficiency for admission?

They may not be my kids but they are somebody's kids and those parents were deceived. They were encouraged to send their unprepared kids to TJ because FCPS wanted their skin. They were encouraged to believe their kids could handle it, when in fact nobody had any idea whether or not they could. Then when their kids floundered, Bonitatibus reassured these families that remedial courses and extra support would get them through because she didn't want to admit that the scheme didn't work. And here we are with these kids failing math in their senior year. at a stem school.

And yes, for the most part the failing kids are who you would expect them to be. Kids that never took the Iowa test and took geometry as freshmen. The last test of cognitive ability they took before admission to TJ was was the COGAT in elementary. But that's not the point. The point is that they were admitted in pursuit of skin color diversity. White admits increased too and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of unqualified white and asian kids got in as well. But ALL of the unqualified kids got in as a result of the pursuit of skin color.

How do you know who these particular kids are? Is there a list of names and bios of the kids somewhere?

Yes, is mostly the kids taking geometry as freshmen. And we know that some of them are struggling.

How do you know the names of these kids? Is there a list somewhere?

Or are you just going by gossip from kids or parents and assuming you know?

WTF are you talking about?

The kids taking calculus as seniors are mostly the ones that took geometry as freshmen.

We know which schools they come from.

We know how many return. Kids return to almost all schools but especially to those schools.

So you are making assumptions. Got it.

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I said we know, not we assume.

You sad you know various facts about various groups of kids, but you didn’t say you know who the specific kids were are talking about here are.

It very much sounds as though you are assuming you know who they are. If by some chance you happen to actually know the specific kids involved in this situation, it is extremely inappropriate for you to be talking about them here in this manner.

Why would I need to know the specific kid?

Because you are writing as though you know exactly who is involved here- and it appears you don’t. Either that or you are being wildly inappropriate.

You could be very surprised to find out that the kids that are involved here are not the ones you are assuming them to be.

There was a big “math scandal”(/s) at TJ in 2011/12 and assumptions were made by adults outside the school about which kids were having difficulties. Turned out to be, let’s just say, not the kids some parents assumed. It wouldn’t be at all surprising to find out that the kids involved here are not who you assume.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly to spring on these kids that they can’t walk at the last minute.

However, it’s deeply troubling that these kids can’t pass calculus. And shocking that they are taking Calc in 12th grade at TJ. The admissions changes really impacted the school that my kids graduated from just a few years ago.

Mukai is fixing it as best he can by enforcing the GPA requirement and sending a lot of kids back to their schools after freshman year and recruiting large froshmore classes.

That's not likely to go well. I can't imagine a sophomore being flung into the rigor of TJ.

Besides the fact that the actual issue at TJ is rampant cheating. That's the only way to succeed in classes like math where teachers have openly told me they don't teach the class material. Kids are expected to teach themselves and each other.

And yet the Froshmores are doing better on average than the rest of the class. By a noticeable margin.

Anonymous wrote:The students fulfilled all requirements to earn an FCPS diploma, and therefore should participate in all the ceremonies of graduation.

It doesn't matter that they failed to earn the extra math credit that's specifically for TJ. Otherwise you're telling them that other kids who did much worse than them in other FCPS schools can walk, but they cannot, just because they're in a different building??? That's patently unfair on the face of it.

Also, the letter families received was only a few days before graduation, leaving them with only a very short period of time to appeal. That's just plain mean.

Why is TJ nitpicking, for God's sakes? These kids have a failed math class on their transcripts, but have still graduation requirements. Why shame them further?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

Nobody hates these kids, we pity them. We are angry with FCPS board for using these kids as props in their diversity virtue signalling and we should do our best to prevent kids finding themselves in this situation going forward.

How is it any of your concern if it’s not your child? Why are you pitying anyone? And are you SURE they’re all the poor/non-Asian ones? You certainly seem to be doing the opposite of virtue signaling.

Your side trots out tax dollars as the reason we should include people from every middle school. Can I trot out the waste of tax dollars as a reason to create a minimum level of objectively demonstrated proficiency for admission?

They may not be my kids but they are somebody's kids and those parents were deceived. They were encouraged to send their unprepared kids to TJ because FCPS wanted their skin. They were encouraged to believe their kids could handle it, when in fact nobody had any idea whether or not they could. Then when their kids floundered, Bonitatibus reassured these families that remedial courses and extra support would get them through because she didn't want to admit that the scheme didn't work. And here we are with these kids failing math in their senior year. at a stem school.

And yes, for the most part the failing kids are who you would expect them to be. Kids that never took the Iowa test and took geometry as freshmen. The last test of cognitive ability they took before admission to TJ was was the COGAT in elementary. But that's not the point. The point is that they were admitted in pursuit of skin color diversity. White admits increased too and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of unqualified white and asian kids got in as well. But ALL of the unqualified kids got in as a result of the pursuit of skin color.

How do you know who these particular kids are? Is there a list of names and bios of the kids somewhere?

Yes, is mostly the kids taking geometry as freshmen. And we know that some of them are struggling.

How do you know the names of these kids? Is there a list somewhere?

Or are you just going by gossip from kids or parents and assuming you know?

WTF are you talking about?

The kids taking calculus as seniors are mostly the ones that took geometry as freshmen.

We know which schools they come from.

We know how many return. Kids return to almost all schools but especially to those schools.

So you are making assumptions. Got it.

Ooops meant to reply to this one.

I said we know, not we assume.

You sad you know various facts about various groups of kids, but you didn’t say you know who the specific kids were are talking about here are.

It very much sounds as though you are assuming you know who they are. If by some chance you happen to actually know the specific kids involved in this situation, it is extremely inappropriate for you to be talking about them here in this manner.

Why would I need to know the specific kid?

Because you are writing as though you know exactly who is involved here- and it appears you don’t. Either that or you are being wildly inappropriate.

You could be very surprised to find out that the kids that are involved here are not the ones you are assuming them to be.

There was a big “math scandal”(/s) at TJ in 2011/12 and assumptions were made by adults outside the school about which kids were having difficulties. Turned out to be, let’s just say, not the kids some parents assumed. It wouldn’t be at all surprising to find out that the kids involved here are not who you assume.

What exactly would be [bold]WILDLY[/bold] inappropriate?

All the unqualified kids are there as a result of the new admissions process. There are unqualified kids of every race and from just about every school. But they were all admitted under an admissions process that was changed in pursuit of skin color diversity.

You think that you know what made one kid “qualified” and another kid “unqualified” for TJ at the time of their acceptance. You assume that the kids being talked about in this thread fall into the category that you label as “unqualified” and that the kids who struggle at TJ all also came from that same bucket.

You actually have no idea which category these kids come from and I can tell you from my own experience with TJ kids that the kids who struggle are not always the ones you may assume would struggle. It’s best to assume nothing and to be kind- because you never know.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

Nobody hates these kids, we pity them. We are angry with FCPS board for using these kids as props in their diversity virtue signalling and we should do our best to prevent kids finding themselves in this situation going forward.

How is it any of your concern if it’s not your child? Why are you pitying anyone? And are you SURE they’re all the poor/non-Asian ones? You certainly seem to be doing the opposite of virtue signaling.

Your side trots out tax dollars as the reason we should include people from every middle school. Can I trot out the waste of tax dollars as a reason to create a minimum level of objectively demonstrated proficiency for admission?

They may not be my kids but they are somebody's kids and those parents were deceived. They were encouraged to send their unprepared kids to TJ because FCPS wanted their skin. They were encouraged to believe their kids could handle it, when in fact nobody had any idea whether or not they could. Then when their kids floundered, Bonitatibus reassured these families that remedial courses and extra support would get them through because she didn't want to admit that the scheme didn't work. And here we are with these kids failing math in their senior year. at a stem school.

And yes, for the most part the failing kids are who you would expect them to be. Kids that never took the Iowa test and took geometry as freshmen. The last test of cognitive ability they took before admission to TJ was was the COGAT in elementary. But that's not the point. The point is that they were admitted in pursuit of skin color diversity. White admits increased too and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of unqualified white and asian kids got in as well. But ALL of the unqualified kids got in as a result of the pursuit of skin color.

How do you know who these particular kids are? Is there a list of names and bios of the kids somewhere?

Yes, is mostly the kids taking geometry as freshmen. And we know that some of them are struggling.

How do you know the names of these kids? Is there a list somewhere?

Or are you just going by gossip from kids or parents and assuming you know?

WTF are you talking about?

The kids taking calculus as seniors are mostly the ones that took geometry as freshmen.

We know which schools they come from.

We know how many return. Kids return to almost all schools but especially to those schools.

So you are making assumptions. Got it.

Ooops meant to reply to this one.

I said we know, not we assume.

You sad you know various facts about various groups of kids, but you didn’t say you know who the specific kids were are talking about here are.

It very much sounds as though you are assuming you know who they are. If by some chance you happen to actually know the specific kids involved in this situation, it is extremely inappropriate for you to be talking about them here in this manner.

Why would I need to know the specific kid?

Because you are writing as though you know exactly who is involved here- and it appears you don’t. Either that or you are being wildly inappropriate.

You could be very surprised to find out that the kids that are involved here are not the ones you are assuming them to be.

There was a big “math scandal”(/s) at TJ in 2011/12 and assumptions were made by adults outside the school about which kids were having difficulties. Turned out to be, let’s just say, not the kids some parents assumed. It wouldn’t be at all surprising to find out that the kids involved here are not who you assume.

What exactly would be [bold]WILDLY[/bold] inappropriate?

All the unqualified kids are there as a result of the new admissions process. There are unqualified kids of every race and from just about every school. But they were all admitted under an admissions process that was changed in pursuit of skin color diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

Nobody hates these kids, we pity them. We are angry with FCPS board for using these kids as props in their diversity virtue signalling and we should do our best to prevent kids finding themselves in this situation going forward.

How is it any of your concern if it’s not your child? Why are you pitying anyone? And are you SURE they’re all the poor/non-Asian ones? You certainly seem to be doing the opposite of virtue signaling.

Your side trots out tax dollars as the reason we should include people from every middle school. Can I trot out the waste of tax dollars as a reason to create a minimum level of objectively demonstrated proficiency for admission?

They may not be my kids but they are somebody's kids and those parents were deceived. They were encouraged to send their unprepared kids to TJ because FCPS wanted their skin. They were encouraged to believe their kids could handle it, when in fact nobody had any idea whether or not they could. Then when their kids floundered, Bonitatibus reassured these families that remedial courses and extra support would get them through because she didn't want to admit that the scheme didn't work. And here we are with these kids failing math in their senior year. at a stem school.

And yes, for the most part the failing kids are who you would expect them to be. Kids that never took the Iowa test and took geometry as freshmen. The last test of cognitive ability they took before admission to TJ was was the COGAT in elementary. But that's not the point. The point is that they were admitted in pursuit of skin color diversity. White admits increased too and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of unqualified white and asian kids got in as well. But ALL of the unqualified kids got in as a result of the pursuit of skin color.

How do you know who these particular kids are? Is there a list of names and bios of the kids somewhere?

Yes, is mostly the kids taking geometry as freshmen. And we know that some of them are struggling.

How do you know the names of these kids? Is there a list somewhere?

Or are you just going by gossip from kids or parents and assuming you know?

WTF are you talking about?

The kids taking calculus as seniors are mostly the ones that took geometry as freshmen.

We know which schools they come from.

We know how many return. Kids return to almost all schools but especially to those schools.

So you are making assumptions. Got it.

Ooops meant to reply to this one.

I said we know, not we assume.

You sad you know various facts about various groups of kids, but you didn’t say you know who the specific kids were are talking about here are.

It very much sounds as though you are assuming you know who they are. If by some chance you happen to actually know the specific kids involved in this situation, it is extremely inappropriate for you to be talking about them here in this manner.

Why would I need to know the specific kid?

Because you are writing as though you know exactly who is involved here- and it appears you don’t. Either that or you are being wildly inappropriate.

You could be very surprised to find out that the kids that are involved here are not the ones you are assuming them to be.

There was a big “math scandal”(/s) at TJ in 2011/12 and assumptions were made by adults outside the school about which kids were having difficulties. Turned out to be, let’s just say, not the kids some parents assumed. It wouldn’t be at all surprising to find out that the kids involved here are not who you assume.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

Nobody hates these kids, we pity them. We are angry with FCPS board for using these kids as props in their diversity virtue signalling and we should do our best to prevent kids finding themselves in this situation going forward.

How is it any of your concern if it’s not your child? Why are you pitying anyone? And are you SURE they’re all the poor/non-Asian ones? You certainly seem to be doing the opposite of virtue signaling.

Your side trots out tax dollars as the reason we should include people from every middle school. Can I trot out the waste of tax dollars as a reason to create a minimum level of objectively demonstrated proficiency for admission?

They may not be my kids but they are somebody's kids and those parents were deceived. They were encouraged to send their unprepared kids to TJ because FCPS wanted their skin. They were encouraged to believe their kids could handle it, when in fact nobody had any idea whether or not they could. Then when their kids floundered, Bonitatibus reassured these families that remedial courses and extra support would get them through because she didn't want to admit that the scheme didn't work. And here we are with these kids failing math in their senior year. at a stem school.

And yes, for the most part the failing kids are who you would expect them to be. Kids that never took the Iowa test and took geometry as freshmen. The last test of cognitive ability they took before admission to TJ was was the COGAT in elementary. But that's not the point. The point is that they were admitted in pursuit of skin color diversity. White admits increased too and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of unqualified white and asian kids got in as well. But ALL of the unqualified kids got in as a result of the pursuit of skin color.

How do you know who these particular kids are? Is there a list of names and bios of the kids somewhere?

Yes, is mostly the kids taking geometry as freshmen. And we know that some of them are struggling.

How do you know the names of these kids? Is there a list somewhere?

Or are you just going by gossip from kids or parents and assuming you know?

WTF are you talking about?

The kids taking calculus as seniors are mostly the ones that took geometry as freshmen.

We know which schools they come from.

We know how many return. Kids return to almost all schools but especially to those schools.

So you are making assumptions. Got it.

Ooops meant to reply to this one.

I said we know, not we assume.

You sad you know various facts about various groups of kids, but you didn’t say you know who the specific kids were are talking about here are.

It very much sounds as though you are assuming you know who they are. If by some chance you happen to actually know the specific kids involved in this situation, it is extremely inappropriate for you to be talking about them here in this manner.

Why would I need to know the specific kid?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any areas in FCPS where a sufficiently gifted/motivated student wouldn't be able to take algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th due to it not being an option? If not, why doesn't TJ require it?

When FCPS gatekept 7th grade Algebra I, in theory there could be a gifted/motivated kid who was feeling sick on the day of the IAAT, missed the cutoff by a small margin, and then wasn't allowed to appeal their way into 7th grade algebra at their middle school. One could argue that it's pretty dumb to sacrifice standards in the hopes of catching one or two unicorns. At the very least, if the kids in that situation truly are math gifted and had some bad luck, FCPS could have easily required completion of summer geometry after 8th before starting in algebra II at TJ.

Now, it's a moot point since any reasonably bright kid can take Algebra I in 7th.