The Ivy recruiting standards for track are the same or very close to the big state schools. Penn, Princeton and Harvard have strong runners and great coaching. The downside to the Ivies is no athletic money but you get admission to the Ivy.

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No. it serves them no purpose. right now they get to be competitive, grab some olympians from various sports, a good NHL pipeline, and the odd football player/basketball player to the pros while maintaining the perception that all their athletes are very smart.

So, the football players that go on to Goldman Sachs or Become Senators serves them better than winning a football championship.

That being said, Yale was competitive last year in football on a national level.

Columbia won some national championship games last year in baseball.

And they do well in lacrosse.

They have their formula, and I think they are the only D1 division that gets the mix right. Real student athletes. Despite what the people on this board say.

Do we think the Ivies will opt in at some point?

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Anonymous wrote:Track and field has 45 on the roster, football has 105

Princeton has 67 male athletes and 58 female athletes. That's 125 athletes.

Football has 115.

The ivies don't have roster limits.

There's a de facto roster limit set by all the Ivies from their admissions office--coaches are only given a certain number of slots they can use per year for their "recruiting" needs.

Really? What are those numbers? oh right. you don't know, because it changes from year to year. What are we even doing here?

You're the guy that said that you don't need a recruitment strategist. Well, maybe you need one afterall cuz they can tell you a thing or two about how those numbers are determined and how much [little] flexibility the coaches actually have. I agree YOU do not know. Some of us have are better informed.

My kid was succesfuly recruited no consultant needed. They had the grades and the marks in track.

IMG got you to pay $8k to make a recruiting video of your kid and then told you "no promises".

We are in one of those "esoteric" sports and aiming for HYPSM so definitely not playing with the same rules, I agree!

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Anonymous wrote:These niche sports- fencing, sailing, squash, rowing are not the normal hyper competitive ones like baseball, football, basketball, cross country, volleyball, etc.

Too few engage in these esoteric sports to even matter. When you have millions and millions competing in particular sports that is far different than 200 in the entire country.

The niche, elite sports are Ivy centric. So those are the sports a kid should do if they want a chance as an Ivy recruit. The other more widespread sports are for lesser schools and public plebes. This thread is about Ivy recruitment.

Yes. They aren't niche, though, they are Olympic sports. The Ivies focus on the Olympics.

Participation rates say otherwise. Squash, sailing, fencing and rowing are niche sports played by very few. For those trying to game an Ivy admission they are far easier to be successful in than real sports. Most high school students find the real sports much more fun. The funny thing about squash is it is getting its clock cleaned by pickleball and is becoming an even more nichy niche sport.

Cool, so tell your kid to play a niche sport. Then they might actually get a good job when they graduate from college.

Many of these niche sports require access to squash courts, golf courses, sailboats or rowing shells, horses..... They are definitely sports for wealthy kids for the most part. And it's fine for wealthy kids to have their expensive niche sports, but don't pretend like anyone can just go out and master these sports without plenty money to invest in it.

Tell your kid to run track instead of making excuses. Track has the largest roster of any collegiate sport.

Track is getting destroyed by the new NCAA and NIL realities. Would not count on major D1 scholarships or Ivy recruiting there. Better to be a fencer than a runner these days. There is zero competition in fencing or squash or sailing or other rich kid niche sports these days. You can be incredibly mediocre in things no one else does and still get some attention from Ivies because they need to fill these spots. But track is super competitive because it's accessible and many do it. But it doesn't generate revenue so it is being cut to shreds. Whereas your fencer is likely a rich kid with rich parents who are likely to donate, so the fencer is more valuable to a school than a great 400 m runner or high jumper.

Track isn't getting impacted by NIL at ivies, at all. They have been expanding their rosters. The NIL only affected other recruiting because opting in to that required roster limits. What are you even talking about?

You are making excuses and diminishing more accomplished kids success because you sound jealous, and ignorant. Tell your kid to go run cross country. It costs nothing, and the exercise would probably do more for you child than taking an additional self-study AP class that nobody cares about.

Honestly, the only reason you're not feeling it in T/F is because schools haven't had time to fully react to the recent changes in NIL. Once schools start to implement that holistically across all their non-NIL sports, I agree with the posters who are noting that T/F will likely get shafted. We work with a recruiting strategist and they're saying the same thing. It's just a matter of time that it'll hit sports like T/F the most--the Olympic non-NIL sports.

This is about Ivy recruiting. Outside of that, yes T/F will be impacted. It will not at Ivies. It definitely will not at prestigious D3 schools. Also, you don't need to work with a recruiting strategist. They are ripoffs. Especially in T/F where you can see the times you need to hit.

Of course it will, the kids currently not interested in Ivies because not competitive enough will start being interested.

The ivies are already competitive. You guys are just clueless. and make excuses.

I think that's also the same PP who compared the mens/womens T/F number and compared it to the men's football team.

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Anonymous wrote:Track and field has 45 on the roster, football has 105

Princeton has 67 male athletes and 58 female athletes. That's 125 athletes.

Football has 115.

The ivies don't have roster limits.

There's a de facto roster limit set by all the Ivies from their admissions office--coaches are only given a certain number of slots they can use per year for their "recruiting" needs.

Really? What are those numbers? oh right. you don't know, because it changes from year to year. What are we even doing here?

You're the guy that said that you don't need a recruitment strategist. Well, maybe you need one afterall cuz they can tell you a thing or two about how those numbers are determined and how much [little] flexibility the coaches actually have. I agree YOU do not know. Some of us have are better informed.

My kid was succesfuly recruited no consultant needed. They had the grades and the marks in track.

IMG got you to pay $8k to make a recruiting video of your kid and then told you "no promises".

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Anonymous wrote:These niche sports- fencing, sailing, squash, rowing are not the normal hyper competitive ones like baseball, football, basketball, cross country, volleyball, etc.

Too few engage in these esoteric sports to even matter. When you have millions and millions competing in particular sports that is far different than 200 in the entire country.

The niche, elite sports are Ivy centric. So those are the sports a kid should do if they want a chance as an Ivy recruit. The other more widespread sports are for lesser schools and public plebes. This thread is about Ivy recruitment.

Yes. They aren't niche, though, they are Olympic sports. The Ivies focus on the Olympics.

Participation rates say otherwise. Squash, sailing, fencing and rowing are niche sports played by very few. For those trying to game an Ivy admission they are far easier to be successful in than real sports. Most high school students find the real sports much more fun. The funny thing about squash is it is getting its clock cleaned by pickleball and is becoming an even more nichy niche sport.

Cool, so tell your kid to play a niche sport. Then they might actually get a good job when they graduate from college.

Many of these niche sports require access to squash courts, golf courses, sailboats or rowing shells, horses..... They are definitely sports for wealthy kids for the most part. And it's fine for wealthy kids to have their expensive niche sports, but don't pretend like anyone can just go out and master these sports without plenty money to invest in it.

Tell your kid to run track instead of making excuses. Track has the largest roster of any collegiate sport.

Track is getting destroyed by the new NCAA and NIL realities. Would not count on major D1 scholarships or Ivy recruiting there. Better to be a fencer than a runner these days. There is zero competition in fencing or squash or sailing or other rich kid niche sports these days. You can be incredibly mediocre in things no one else does and still get some attention from Ivies because they need to fill these spots. But track is super competitive because it's accessible and many do it. But it doesn't generate revenue so it is being cut to shreds. Whereas your fencer is likely a rich kid with rich parents who are likely to donate, so the fencer is more valuable to a school than a great 400 m runner or high jumper.

Track isn't getting impacted by NIL at ivies, at all. They have been expanding their rosters. The NIL only affected other recruiting because opting in to that required roster limits. What are you even talking about?

You are making excuses and diminishing more accomplished kids success because you sound jealous, and ignorant. Tell your kid to go run cross country. It costs nothing, and the exercise would probably do more for you child than taking an additional self-study AP class that nobody cares about.

Honestly, the only reason you're not feeling it in T/F is because schools haven't had time to fully react to the recent changes in NIL. Once schools start to implement that holistically across all their non-NIL sports, I agree with the posters who are noting that T/F will likely get shafted. We work with a recruiting strategist and they're saying the same thing. It's just a matter of time that it'll hit sports like T/F the most--the Olympic non-NIL sports.

This is about Ivy recruiting. Outside of that, yes T/F will be impacted. It will not at Ivies. It definitely will not at prestigious D3 schools. Also, you don't need to work with a recruiting strategist. They are ripoffs. Especially in T/F where you can see the times you need to hit.

Of course it will, the kids currently not interested in Ivies because not competitive enough will start being interested.

I think the reverse will happen. The D1 programs that will be heavily invested in NIL revenue sharing will be cutting rosters length for many non-NIL sports to make it work for the players they want to recruit, which will cause those shafted athletes to shift to Ivies and hope for a need-based scholarship or a D3 for a need/merit based scholarship. It'll be interesting to see how the Ivies recruit for the NIL sports.

Track athletes at Ivies have high SAT and GPA. Also, the ivies have nationally competitive athletes in most of the events. Even a couple of olympians.

Last year columbia and princeton had some of the best shot putters in the country. This year Penn has the national weight throws champion. There is an olympic hoperful discus thrower at penn. Harvard had an olympic 200m runner in the olympics. Harvard had a 5000m olympian.

You guys are clueless. Just get your kids on the track and maybe they can get a slot. Track and field isn't going to lower their SAT and GPA requirements at the ivies, which as mentioned are the highest of all the ivy sports. So, the kid from U of Arizona isn't going to Dartmouth for the steeplechase.

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Anonymous wrote:Track and field has 45 on the roster, football has 105

Princeton has 67 male athletes and 58 female athletes. That's 125 athletes.

Football has 115.

The ivies don't have roster limits.

There's a de facto roster limit set by all the Ivies from their admissions office--coaches are only given a certain number of slots they can use per year for their "recruiting" needs.

Really? What are those numbers? oh right. you don't know, because it changes from year to year. What are we even doing here?

You're the guy that said that you don't need a recruitment strategist. Well, maybe you need one afterall cuz they can tell you a thing or two about how those numbers are determined and how much [little] flexibility the coaches actually have. I agree YOU do not know. Some of us have are better informed.

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Anonymous wrote:These niche sports- fencing, sailing, squash, rowing are not the normal hyper competitive ones like baseball, football, basketball, cross country, volleyball, etc.

Too few engage in these esoteric sports to even matter. When you have millions and millions competing in particular sports that is far different than 200 in the entire country.

The niche, elite sports are Ivy centric. So those are the sports a kid should do if they want a chance as an Ivy recruit. The other more widespread sports are for lesser schools and public plebes. This thread is about Ivy recruitment.

Yes. They aren't niche, though, they are Olympic sports. The Ivies focus on the Olympics.

Participation rates say otherwise. Squash, sailing, fencing and rowing are niche sports played by very few. For those trying to game an Ivy admission they are far easier to be successful in than real sports. Most high school students find the real sports much more fun. The funny thing about squash is it is getting its clock cleaned by pickleball and is becoming an even more nichy niche sport.

Cool, so tell your kid to play a niche sport. Then they might actually get a good job when they graduate from college.

Many of these niche sports require access to squash courts, golf courses, sailboats or rowing shells, horses..... They are definitely sports for wealthy kids for the most part. And it's fine for wealthy kids to have their expensive niche sports, but don't pretend like anyone can just go out and master these sports without plenty money to invest in it.

Tell your kid to run track instead of making excuses. Track has the largest roster of any collegiate sport.

Track is getting destroyed by the new NCAA and NIL realities. Would not count on major D1 scholarships or Ivy recruiting there. Better to be a fencer than a runner these days. There is zero competition in fencing or squash or sailing or other rich kid niche sports these days. You can be incredibly mediocre in things no one else does and still get some attention from Ivies because they need to fill these spots. But track is super competitive because it's accessible and many do it. But it doesn't generate revenue so it is being cut to shreds. Whereas your fencer is likely a rich kid with rich parents who are likely to donate, so the fencer is more valuable to a school than a great 400 m runner or high jumper.

Track isn't getting impacted by NIL at ivies, at all. They have been expanding their rosters. The NIL only affected other recruiting because opting in to that required roster limits. What are you even talking about?

You are making excuses and diminishing more accomplished kids success because you sound jealous, and ignorant. Tell your kid to go run cross country. It costs nothing, and the exercise would probably do more for you child than taking an additional self-study AP class that nobody cares about.

Honestly, the only reason you're not feeling it in T/F is because schools haven't had time to fully react to the recent changes in NIL. Once schools start to implement that holistically across all their non-NIL sports, I agree with the posters who are noting that T/F will likely get shafted. We work with a recruiting strategist and they're saying the same thing. It's just a matter of time that it'll hit sports like T/F the most--the Olympic non-NIL sports.

This is about Ivy recruiting. Outside of that, yes T/F will be impacted. It will not at Ivies. It definitely will not at prestigious D3 schools. Also, you don't need to work with a recruiting strategist. They are ripoffs. Especially in T/F where you can see the times you need to hit.

Of course it will, the kids currently not interested in Ivies because not competitive enough will start being interested.

Huh? This makes no sense. You are arguing just to argue. Admit you were wrong an move on.

That previous poster makes a lot of sense and others have made that point also. When a D1 program that is implementing the new NIL rules have to recruit for the NIL sports, the ONLY way to make the math work is to reduce headcount/cost on the other non-NIL sports. The athletes who used to compete to get those spots at these schools will now shift to the Ivies (and hope for a need-based scholarship).

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Anonymous wrote:Track and field has 45 on the roster, football has 105

Princeton has 67 male athletes and 58 female athletes. That's 125 athletes.

Football has 115.

The ivies don't have roster limits.

There's a de facto roster limit set by all the Ivies from their admissions office--coaches are only given a certain number of slots they can use per year for their "recruiting" needs.

Really? What are those numbers? oh right. you don't know, because it changes from year to year. What are we even doing here?

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Anonymous wrote:These niche sports- fencing, sailing, squash, rowing are not the normal hyper competitive ones like baseball, football, basketball, cross country, volleyball, etc.

Too few engage in these esoteric sports to even matter. When you have millions and millions competing in particular sports that is far different than 200 in the entire country.

The niche, elite sports are Ivy centric. So those are the sports a kid should do if they want a chance as an Ivy recruit. The other more widespread sports are for lesser schools and public plebes. This thread is about Ivy recruitment.

Yes. They aren't niche, though, they are Olympic sports. The Ivies focus on the Olympics.

Participation rates say otherwise. Squash, sailing, fencing and rowing are niche sports played by very few. For those trying to game an Ivy admission they are far easier to be successful in than real sports. Most high school students find the real sports much more fun. The funny thing about squash is it is getting its clock cleaned by pickleball and is becoming an even more nichy niche sport.

Cool, so tell your kid to play a niche sport. Then they might actually get a good job when they graduate from college.

Many of these niche sports require access to squash courts, golf courses, sailboats or rowing shells, horses..... They are definitely sports for wealthy kids for the most part. And it's fine for wealthy kids to have their expensive niche sports, but don't pretend like anyone can just go out and master these sports without plenty money to invest in it.

Tell your kid to run track instead of making excuses. Track has the largest roster of any collegiate sport.

Track is getting destroyed by the new NCAA and NIL realities. Would not count on major D1 scholarships or Ivy recruiting there. Better to be a fencer than a runner these days. There is zero competition in fencing or squash or sailing or other rich kid niche sports these days. You can be incredibly mediocre in things no one else does and still get some attention from Ivies because they need to fill these spots. But track is super competitive because it's accessible and many do it. But it doesn't generate revenue so it is being cut to shreds. Whereas your fencer is likely a rich kid with rich parents who are likely to donate, so the fencer is more valuable to a school than a great 400 m runner or high jumper.

Track isn't getting impacted by NIL at ivies, at all. They have been expanding their rosters. The NIL only affected other recruiting because opting in to that required roster limits. What are you even talking about?

You are making excuses and diminishing more accomplished kids success because you sound jealous, and ignorant. Tell your kid to go run cross country. It costs nothing, and the exercise would probably do more for you child than taking an additional self-study AP class that nobody cares about.

Honestly, the only reason you're not feeling it in T/F is because schools haven't had time to fully react to the recent changes in NIL. Once schools start to implement that holistically across all their non-NIL sports, I agree with the posters who are noting that T/F will likely get shafted. We work with a recruiting strategist and they're saying the same thing. It's just a matter of time that it'll hit sports like T/F the most--the Olympic non-NIL sports.

This is about Ivy recruiting. Outside of that, yes T/F will be impacted. It will not at Ivies. It definitely will not at prestigious D3 schools. Also, you don't need to work with a recruiting strategist. They are ripoffs. Especially in T/F where you can see the times you need to hit.

Of course it will, the kids currently not interested in Ivies because not competitive enough will start being interested.

Huh? This makes no sense. You are arguing just to argue. Admit you were wrong an move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Track and field has 45 on the roster, football has 105

Princeton has 67 male athletes and 58 female athletes. That's 125 athletes.

Football has 115.

The ivies don't have roster limits.

There's a de facto roster limit set by all the Ivies from their admissions office--coaches are only given a certain number of slots they can use per year for their "recruiting" needs.

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Anonymous wrote:These niche sports- fencing, sailing, squash, rowing are not the normal hyper competitive ones like baseball, football, basketball, cross country, volleyball, etc.

Too few engage in these esoteric sports to even matter. When you have millions and millions competing in particular sports that is far different than 200 in the entire country.

The niche, elite sports are Ivy centric. So those are the sports a kid should do if they want a chance as an Ivy recruit. The other more widespread sports are for lesser schools and public plebes. This thread is about Ivy recruitment.

Yes. They aren't niche, though, they are Olympic sports. The Ivies focus on the Olympics.

Participation rates say otherwise. Squash, sailing, fencing and rowing are niche sports played by very few. For those trying to game an Ivy admission they are far easier to be successful in than real sports. Most high school students find the real sports much more fun. The funny thing about squash is it is getting its clock cleaned by pickleball and is becoming an even more nichy niche sport.

Cool, so tell your kid to play a niche sport. Then they might actually get a good job when they graduate from college.

Many of these niche sports require access to squash courts, golf courses, sailboats or rowing shells, horses..... They are definitely sports for wealthy kids for the most part. And it's fine for wealthy kids to have their expensive niche sports, but don't pretend like anyone can just go out and master these sports without plenty money to invest in it.

Tell your kid to run track instead of making excuses. Track has the largest roster of any collegiate sport.

Track is getting destroyed by the new NCAA and NIL realities. Would not count on major D1 scholarships or Ivy recruiting there. Better to be a fencer than a runner these days. There is zero competition in fencing or squash or sailing or other rich kid niche sports these days. You can be incredibly mediocre in things no one else does and still get some attention from Ivies because they need to fill these spots. But track is super competitive because it's accessible and many do it. But it doesn't generate revenue so it is being cut to shreds. Whereas your fencer is likely a rich kid with rich parents who are likely to donate, so the fencer is more valuable to a school than a great 400 m runner or high jumper.

Track isn't getting impacted by NIL at ivies, at all. They have been expanding their rosters. The NIL only affected other recruiting because opting in to that required roster limits. What are you even talking about?

You are making excuses and diminishing more accomplished kids success because you sound jealous, and ignorant. Tell your kid to go run cross country. It costs nothing, and the exercise would probably do more for you child than taking an additional self-study AP class that nobody cares about.

Honestly, the only reason you're not feeling it in T/F is because schools haven't had time to fully react to the recent changes in NIL. Once schools start to implement that holistically across all their non-NIL sports, I agree with the posters who are noting that T/F will likely get shafted. We work with a recruiting strategist and they're saying the same thing. It's just a matter of time that it'll hit sports like T/F the most--the Olympic non-NIL sports.

This is about Ivy recruiting. Outside of that, yes T/F will be impacted. It will not at Ivies. It definitely will not at prestigious D3 schools. Also, you don't need to work with a recruiting strategist. They are ripoffs. Especially in T/F where you can see the times you need to hit.

D3 and D1 are very different things.

Ivies are hovering in that in-between space. Technically D1, but, outside of hockey, their athletes are generally at the D3 level. And track and field is totally getting shafted everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:These niche sports- fencing, sailing, squash, rowing are not the normal hyper competitive ones like baseball, football, basketball, cross country, volleyball, etc.

Too few engage in these esoteric sports to even matter. When you have millions and millions competing in particular sports that is far different than 200 in the entire country.

The niche, elite sports are Ivy centric. So those are the sports a kid should do if they want a chance as an Ivy recruit. The other more widespread sports are for lesser schools and public plebes. This thread is about Ivy recruitment.

Yes. They aren't niche, though, they are Olympic sports. The Ivies focus on the Olympics.

Participation rates say otherwise. Squash, sailing, fencing and rowing are niche sports played by very few. For those trying to game an Ivy admission they are far easier to be successful in than real sports. Most high school students find the real sports much more fun. The funny thing about squash is it is getting its clock cleaned by pickleball and is becoming an even more nichy niche sport.

Cool, so tell your kid to play a niche sport. Then they might actually get a good job when they graduate from college.

Many of these niche sports require access to squash courts, golf courses, sailboats or rowing shells, horses..... They are definitely sports for wealthy kids for the most part. And it's fine for wealthy kids to have their expensive niche sports, but don't pretend like anyone can just go out and master these sports without plenty money to invest in it.

Tell your kid to run track instead of making excuses. Track has the largest roster of any collegiate sport.

Track is getting destroyed by the new NCAA and NIL realities. Would not count on major D1 scholarships or Ivy recruiting there. Better to be a fencer than a runner these days. There is zero competition in fencing or squash or sailing or other rich kid niche sports these days. You can be incredibly mediocre in things no one else does and still get some attention from Ivies because they need to fill these spots. But track is super competitive because it's accessible and many do it. But it doesn't generate revenue so it is being cut to shreds. Whereas your fencer is likely a rich kid with rich parents who are likely to donate, so the fencer is more valuable to a school than a great 400 m runner or high jumper.

Track isn't getting impacted by NIL at ivies, at all. They have been expanding their rosters. The NIL only affected other recruiting because opting in to that required roster limits. What are you even talking about?

You are making excuses and diminishing more accomplished kids success because you sound jealous, and ignorant. Tell your kid to go run cross country. It costs nothing, and the exercise would probably do more for you child than taking an additional self-study AP class that nobody cares about.

Honestly, the only reason you're not feeling it in T/F is because schools haven't had time to fully react to the recent changes in NIL. Once schools start to implement that holistically across all their non-NIL sports, I agree with the posters who are noting that T/F will likely get shafted. We work with a recruiting strategist and they're saying the same thing. It's just a matter of time that it'll hit sports like T/F the most--the Olympic non-NIL sports.

This is about Ivy recruiting. Outside of that, yes T/F will be impacted. It will not at Ivies. It definitely will not at prestigious D3 schools. Also, you don't need to work with a recruiting strategist. They are ripoffs. Especially in T/F where you can see the times you need to hit.

Of course it will, the kids currently not interested in Ivies because not competitive enough will start being interested.

I think the reverse will happen. The D1 programs that will be heavily invested in NIL revenue sharing will be cutting rosters length for many non-NIL sports to make it work for the players they want to recruit, which will cause those shafted athletes to shift to Ivies and hope for a need-based scholarship or a D3 for a need/merit based scholarship. It'll be interesting to see how the Ivies recruit for the NIL sports.