Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming that the 2 WEEK winter break around Christmas (the longest break of the entire year) isn’t specifically about Christmas is disingenuous. If we scheduled Christmas the way we did every other major religion’s holidays, it would be one day off- Christmas Day. And again for New Year’s Day a week later. Those are the only two days in that span that are federal holidays. But it gets 2 weeks in the calendar because it’s the major Christian holiday. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
No. It is not goofy. Yes, Christmas is a Christian holiday, but the two weeks off has been a tradition in our schools for many, many years. Why? Because people get together with family at that time to celebrate--and many are not even observant Christians. Many people travel to be with family at that time. There are festivities, parties, etc.
Many businesses and offices also shut down at that time. Do you not realize how difficult it would be to staff schools that would be open at that time?
It is part of the culture of the United States. Sorry you don't like it.
That tradition dates from a time when the default was the five day school week and the long summer. FCPS will need to choose to embrace one or the other going forward but the swiss cheese calendar, short summer, and long breaks pleases no one.
So you think by breaking up the one consistent and prolonged break of the school year that the calendar will magically be fixed? Hardly. We’d probably start and end on the same dates and the 8 instructional days we get back would be used to implement more random early releases and cultural observances.
Also, FCPS would lose accreditation due to chronic absenteeism from people pulling their kids from school to spend time with family when the entire rest of the country is on winter break.
Thanksgiving break and winter break are untouchable. Spring break is also untouchable but they could at least tie it to the end of the quarter. FCPS isn’t the only district with a floating spring break. In my NY school it was tied to Passover. Some schools do the week before or after Easter. Some have a fixed week.
Anonymous wrote:If we want to remove religious holidays, it needs to be all. It isn’t right to leave in Christian holidays but then view Muslim holidays as expendable. A new calendar system where only federal holidays are honored and no religious holidays are included at all would work, but it would require people who are very used to having Christian holidays honored to accept the change.[b] No two week winter break. Christmas Eve in school, only Christmas Day off for the federal holidays and back on 12/26. Spring break untied from Easter.

Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming that the 2 WEEK winter break around Christmas (the longest break of the entire year) isn’t specifically about Christmas is disingenuous. If we scheduled Christmas the way we did every other major religion’s holidays, it would be one day off- Christmas Day. And again for New Year’s Day a week later. Those are the only two days in that span that are federal holidays. But it gets 2 weeks in the calendar because it’s the major Christian holiday. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
No. It is not goofy. Yes, Christmas is a Christian holiday, but the two weeks off has been a tradition in our schools for many, many years. Why? Because people get together with family at that time to celebrate--and many are not even observant Christians. Many people travel to be with family at that time. There are festivities, parties, etc.
Many businesses and offices also shut down at that time. Do you not realize how difficult it would be to staff schools that would be open at that time?
It is part of the culture of the United States. Sorry you don't like it.
That tradition dates from a time when the default was the five day school week and the long summer. FCPS will need to choose to embrace one or the other going forward but the swiss cheese calendar, short summer, and long breaks pleases no one.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming that the 2 WEEK winter break around Christmas (the longest break of the entire year) isn’t specifically about Christmas is disingenuous. If we scheduled Christmas the way we did every other major religion’s holidays, it would be one day off- Christmas Day. And again for New Year’s Day a week later. Those are the only two days in that span that are federal holidays. But it gets 2 weeks in the calendar because it’s the major Christian holiday. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
No. It is not goofy. Yes, Christmas is a Christian holiday, but the two weeks off has been a tradition in our schools for many, many years. Why? Because people get together with family at that time to celebrate--and many are not even observant Christians. Many people travel to be with family at that time. There are festivities, parties, etc.
Many businesses and offices also shut down at that time. Do you not realize how difficult it would be to staff schools that would be open at that time?
It is part of the culture of the United States. Sorry you don't like it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That sounds like impact to the calendar. With that said most of the world is off around Christmas so nothing can be done there but spring break should be secular based (specific timing in the school year) not always the week before Easter. All you need is to get Loudoun on board and the rest (Arlington, Prince William, ACPS, FCCPS) will automatically adjust. How this week before Easter practice started is puzzling since Easter moves around and it doesn't even help the Easter celebraters since that is the last day for teachers and sometimes students.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If we want to remove religious holidays, it needs to be all. It isn’t right to leave in Christian holidays but then view Muslim holidays as expendable. A new calendar system where only federal holidays are honored and no religious holidays are included at all would work, but it would require people who are very used to having Christian holidays honored to accept the change. No two week winter break. Christmas Eve in school, only Christmas Day off for the federal holidays and back on 12/26. Spring break untied from Easter.
There are no Christian holidays on the FCPS calendar (except for the ridiculous Orthodox ones they added).
Christmas is at the center of the Winter Break and Spring Break is tied to Easter. FCPS tried to uncouple Spring Break from Easter but the Teachers who live in other counties threw a hissy fit because their counties kept Spring Break tied to Easter. Instead of the entire region realizing there was a problem with tying Spring Break to easter, FCPS caved. It was around that time that we got all of the other religious holidays added to the calendar and the current awful mess we have.
Winter Break has nothing to do with Christmas, which is only one day and a Federal holiday anyway.
Yes, FCPS tried to show woke they were by decoupling Spring Break from Easter and failed horribly. But Easter is always on a Sunday and is not a school holiday.
The point is, people can scream and cry about Christian holidays, but they have no impact to the calendar.
My guess is that the week before Easter is holy week and that there was a large enough contingent of Teachers and students whose families went to services on Thursday and Friday that the counties just gave off that week and it has stuck. The really devout Catholics I know try to attend services every day during Holy Week. A good number attend on Thursday and Friday. Those are long services and many prefer not to be trying to go to mass at night. At least, the Catholics I know. I also grew up in a town that proudly boasts its Irish Catholic heritage so there might have been a bit more Church attendance then the norm.
You are probably correct. I grew up in the Bible belt in the South. There were fewer Catholics there and our Spring break was in March. It was never tied to Easter. The Catholics and Episcopalians were allowed to take a half day off on Good Friday, but the rest of us stayed in school.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming that the 2 WEEK winter break around Christmas (the longest break of the entire year) isn’t specifically about Christmas is disingenuous. If we scheduled Christmas the way we did every other major religion’s holidays, it would be one day off- Christmas Day. And again for New Year’s Day a week later. Those are the only two days in that span that are federal holidays. But it gets 2 weeks in the calendar because it’s the major Christian holiday. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
No. It is not goofy. Yes, Christmas is a Christian holiday, but the two weeks off has been a tradition in our schools for many, many years. Why? Because people get together with family at that time to celebrate--and many are not even observant Christians. Many people travel to be with family at that time. There are festivities, parties, etc.
Many businesses and offices also shut down at that time. Do you not realize how difficult it would be to staff schools that would be open at that time?
It is part of the culture of the United States. Sorry you don't like it.
That tradition dates from a time when the default was the five day school week and the long summer. FCPS will need to choose to embrace one or the other going forward but the swiss cheese calendar, short summer, and long breaks pleases no one.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The snow days should be virtual days at this point. A week without school over a snowstorm is ridiculous in 2026
We would have been absent. Virtual school is a waste of time unless you are enrolled in a dedicated virtual program that is established for that type of learning. The COVID year was a complete waste, and my kid attended every day. The math was so bad that we started RSM and found competition math. DS loved it and still participates in math competitions but he was learning nothing in math during COVID.
I agree virtual school is a waste. Teachers should telework on snow days like other professionals and subsequent teacher workdays/early release days cancelled.
Teachers already work on snow days. I’m a professional. I work until the work is done, which often means every day of the week.
Are you saying that it should simply be somehow tracked? Micromanaged?
So what you’re really saying is that teacher work time shouldn’t be reflected in the calendar. Parents shouldn’t have to find childcare so teachers can get behind-the-scenes work done.
Fine. I actually agree. But until we teach fewer classes or have fewer duties, I’m not sure what the solution is. Simply put: teachers do need time to get work done. That’s just fact. And random snow days isn’t enough.
In the rest of the white-collar professional world, on days of inclement weather, employees, bring home laptops, and participate in meetings, trainings, calls, etc. It’s not “tracking” or “micromanagement” when Deloitte does it, why is it such an imposition for teachers?
As I wrote, I am working on snow days. I am also bringing home my laptop, participating in team meetings, etc. I don’t need an administrator to TELL me to work. I don’t need an administrator to TELL me to contact my team and schedule a meeting because we have the gift of time that day. I’m already on it.
My comment regarding micromanaging is related to the suggestion above that teachers should be ***told*** to work on these days. Oh, we are. I don’t need an administrator checking in on me.
Why if an administrator tells you to is that wrong, but if the CEO or team lead at a normal company tells their employees that they’ll be meeting virtually tomorrow because of the snow that’s fine? Yes, sometimes people need to be told to work. Public employees on contract days should be expected to work, yes, but that expectation could be reflected in the result in school calendar.
I don’t know why you feel the need to pick a fight. This isn’t a big deal unless you decide to make it one. Just don’t assume I’m lazily basking in the glory of a snow day and I’ll be fine.
I mean— thats exactly the impression you’re giving. No one can MAKE me work. No one can CHECK my work. Just because I’m paid for this day doesn’t mean anyone can EXPECT something.
The NYT ran an opinion piece last week about school choice. NYC has charter schools with 12 hour days. The “don’t micromanage!” me attitude isn’t going to fly much longer.
NYC charter schools have nothing to do with Virginia public schools. Charter schools are notorious for poor working conditions for teachers because you don’t have to have a professional license to teach at one. The outcomes in education at charters are also not great as a result of this and many other factors such as they don’t have to abide by federal accountability standards.
Bad news:
https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-gov-youngkin-federal-school-choice-tax-credit/291-ba2b27e9-77f1-456b-b161-4b29d6bd44dd
I did not say charter schools don’t exist in Virginia. I said what they do in charter schools doesn’t impact what we do in public schools. They are two incredibly different entities with very different standards and conditions. What happens at some shifty charter that uses vouchers is not indicative of what occurs at PUBLIC schools which have licensure requirements and such to teach there.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming that the 2 WEEK winter break around Christmas (the longest break of the entire year) isn’t specifically about Christmas is disingenuous. If we scheduled Christmas the way we did every other major religion’s holidays, it would be one day off- Christmas Day. And again for New Year’s Day a week later. Those are the only two days in that span that are federal holidays. But it gets 2 weeks in the calendar because it’s the major Christian holiday. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
No. It is not goofy. Yes, Christmas is a Christian holiday, but the two weeks off has been a tradition in our schools for many, many years. Why? Because people get together with family at that time to celebrate--and many are not even observant Christians. Many people travel to be with family at that time. There are festivities, parties, etc.
Many businesses and offices also shut down at that time. Do you not realize how difficult it would be to staff schools that would be open at that time?
It is part of the culture of the United States. Sorry you don't like it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That sounds like impact to the calendar. With that said most of the world is off around Christmas so nothing can be done there but spring break should be secular based (specific timing in the school year) not always the week before Easter. All you need is to get Loudoun on board and the rest (Arlington, Prince William, ACPS, FCCPS) will automatically adjust. How this week before Easter practice started is puzzling since Easter moves around and it doesn't even help the Easter celebraters since that is the last day for teachers and sometimes students.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If we want to remove religious holidays, it needs to be all. It isn’t right to leave in Christian holidays but then view Muslim holidays as expendable. A new calendar system where only federal holidays are honored and no religious holidays are included at all would work, but it would require people who are very used to having Christian holidays honored to accept the change. No two week winter break. Christmas Eve in school, only Christmas Day off for the federal holidays and back on 12/26. Spring break untied from Easter.
There are no Christian holidays on the FCPS calendar (except for the ridiculous Orthodox ones they added).
Christmas is at the center of the Winter Break and Spring Break is tied to Easter. FCPS tried to uncouple Spring Break from Easter but the Teachers who live in other counties threw a hissy fit because their counties kept Spring Break tied to Easter. Instead of the entire region realizing there was a problem with tying Spring Break to easter, FCPS caved. It was around that time that we got all of the other religious holidays added to the calendar and the current awful mess we have.
Winter Break has nothing to do with Christmas, which is only one day and a Federal holiday anyway.
Yes, FCPS tried to show woke they were by decoupling Spring Break from Easter and failed horribly. But Easter is always on a Sunday and is not a school holiday.
The point is, people can scream and cry about Christian holidays, but they have no impact to the calendar.
My guess is that the week before Easter is holy week and that there was a large enough contingent of Teachers and students whose families went to services on Thursday and Friday that the counties just gave off that week and it has stuck. The really devout Catholics I know try to attend services every day during Holy Week. A good number attend on Thursday and Friday. Those are long services and many prefer not to be trying to go to mass at night. At least, the Catholics I know. I also grew up in a town that proudly boasts its Irish Catholic heritage so there might have been a bit more Church attendance then the norm.
Anonymous wrote:Claiming that the 2 WEEK winter break around Christmas (the longest break of the entire year) isn’t specifically about Christmas is disingenuous. If we scheduled Christmas the way we did every other major religion’s holidays, it would be one day off- Christmas Day. And again for New Year’s Day a week later. Those are the only two days in that span that are federal holidays. But it gets 2 weeks in the calendar because it’s the major Christian holiday. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
Anonymous wrote:That sounds like impact to the calendar. With that said most of the world is off around Christmas so nothing can be done there but spring break should be secular based (specific timing in the school year) not always the week before Easter. All you need is to get Loudoun on board and the rest (Arlington, Prince William, ACPS, FCCPS) will automatically adjust. How this week before Easter practice started is puzzling since Easter moves around and it doesn't even help the Easter celebraters since that is the last day for teachers and sometimes students.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If we want to remove religious holidays, it needs to be all. It isn’t right to leave in Christian holidays but then view Muslim holidays as expendable. A new calendar system where only federal holidays are honored and no religious holidays are included at all would work, but it would require people who are very used to having Christian holidays honored to accept the change. No two week winter break. Christmas Eve in school, only Christmas Day off for the federal holidays and back on 12/26. Spring break untied from Easter.
There are no Christian holidays on the FCPS calendar (except for the ridiculous Orthodox ones they added).
Christmas is at the center of the Winter Break and Spring Break is tied to Easter. FCPS tried to uncouple Spring Break from Easter but the Teachers who live in other counties threw a hissy fit because their counties kept Spring Break tied to Easter. Instead of the entire region realizing there was a problem with tying Spring Break to easter, FCPS caved. It was around that time that we got all of the other religious holidays added to the calendar and the current awful mess we have.
Winter Break has nothing to do with Christmas, which is only one day and a Federal holiday anyway.
Yes, FCPS tried to show woke they were by decoupling Spring Break from Easter and failed horribly. But Easter is always on a Sunday and is not a school holiday.
The point is, people can scream and cry about Christian holidays, but they have no impact to the calendar.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was a teacher. I don't understand the attack on teachers about a snow day. The teachers do not make the decision.
And, FWIW, I was a teacher of K and 1. Most of my work was done at school. Sure, I could plan outside of school, but preparing materials, and setting up the classroom is a key part of planning with young children.
I guess I am not sure what some on here are expecting of a teacher on a snow day. Remember, many also have children. It is difficult for everyone.
It’s actually very simple. Move to 1.5 hours of each early release that is “admin directed” to virtual. Move the training to virtual. Then when there is a snow day, teachers do the training online. The next early release/TWD is cancelled. No change to contract days. Literally no one loses in this scenario and it costs Fairfax not one penny.
You are not a teacher, are you?
No I’m one of these poor victims who is “monitored” by my workplace and expected to find and pay for childcare on snow days.
I’m the teacher you started attacking. This is the first time I’ve posted since my initial posts re: monitoring.
I suppose you need another adult to tell you when to work. I don’t. I will work my contracted hours, my weekends, and (yes) on snow days without someone else telling me to. I don’t know why that bothers you so much. Are you micromanaged at your job? Do you want me to suffer with you?
And you’re not alone. Guess what? I ALSO pay for someone to watch my children on teacher work days. You are aware teachers are also parents, aren’t you?
And I appreciate that “no one loses” to you in the scenario above. I guess it would take a teacher to see how teachers lose. I can’t schedule my extra work around random, unexpected snow days. I’m sure you’re about to tell me how I can, though.
No one asks you to. Your administration plans training— they put it online, state requirements met. What are you “losing” by being asked to work?
What are your students gaining by having class?
We can’t have a conversation as you don’t understand the work of a teacher. And I’m not saying that to be rude. You simply don’t. Trainings are such a small, tiny, minuscule part of what we do. Particularly ones that can be put online.
So you’re saying when FCPS said the state mandated literacy trainings would take up so much time they require monthly early release, they were lying? Where was the outcry from teachers anout this decepton?
Anonymous wrote:That sounds like impact to the calendar. With that said most of the world is off around Christmas so nothing can be done there but spring break should be secular based (specific timing in the school year) not always the week before Easter. All you need is to get Loudoun on board and the rest (Arlington, Prince William, ACPS, FCCPS) will automatically adjust. How this week before Easter practice started is puzzling since Easter moves around and it doesn't even help the Easter celebraters since that is the last day for teachers and sometimes students.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If we want to remove religious holidays, it needs to be all. It isn’t right to leave in Christian holidays but then view Muslim holidays as expendable. A new calendar system where only federal holidays are honored and no religious holidays are included at all would work, but it would require people who are very used to having Christian holidays honored to accept the change. No two week winter break. Christmas Eve in school, only Christmas Day off for the federal holidays and back on 12/26. Spring break untied from Easter.
There are no Christian holidays on the FCPS calendar (except for the ridiculous Orthodox ones they added).
Christmas is at the center of the Winter Break and Spring Break is tied to Easter. FCPS tried to uncouple Spring Break from Easter but the Teachers who live in other counties threw a hissy fit because their counties kept Spring Break tied to Easter. Instead of the entire region realizing there was a problem with tying Spring Break to easter, FCPS caved. It was around that time that we got all of the other religious holidays added to the calendar and the current awful mess we have.
Winter Break has nothing to do with Christmas, which is only one day and a Federal holiday anyway.
Yes, FCPS tried to show woke they were by decoupling Spring Break from Easter and failed horribly. But Easter is always on a Sunday and is not a school holiday.
The point is, people can scream and cry about Christian holidays, but they have no impact to the calendar.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The snow days should be virtual days at this point. A week without school over a snowstorm is ridiculous in 2026
We would have been absent. Virtual school is a waste of time unless you are enrolled in a dedicated virtual program that is established for that type of learning. The COVID year was a complete waste, and my kid attended every day. The math was so bad that we started RSM and found competition math. DS loved it and still participates in math competitions but he was learning nothing in math during COVID.
I agree virtual school is a waste. Teachers should telework on snow days like other professionals and subsequent teacher workdays/early release days cancelled.
Teachers already work on snow days. I’m a professional. I work until the work is done, which often means every day of the week.
Are you saying that it should simply be somehow tracked? Micromanaged?
So what you’re really saying is that teacher work time shouldn’t be reflected in the calendar. Parents shouldn’t have to find childcare so teachers can get behind-the-scenes work done.
Fine. I actually agree. But until we teach fewer classes or have fewer duties, I’m not sure what the solution is. Simply put: teachers do need time to get work done. That’s just fact. And random snow days isn’t enough.
In the rest of the white-collar professional world, on days of inclement weather, employees, bring home laptops, and participate in meetings, trainings, calls, etc. It’s not “tracking” or “micromanagement” when Deloitte does it, why is it such an imposition for teachers?
As I wrote, I am working on snow days. I am also bringing home my laptop, participating in team meetings, etc. I don’t need an administrator to TELL me to work. I don’t need an administrator to TELL me to contact my team and schedule a meeting because we have the gift of time that day. I’m already on it.
My comment regarding micromanaging is related to the suggestion above that teachers should be ***told*** to work on these days. Oh, we are. I don’t need an administrator checking in on me.
Why if an administrator tells you to is that wrong, but if the CEO or team lead at a normal company tells their employees that they’ll be meeting virtually tomorrow because of the snow that’s fine? Yes, sometimes people need to be told to work. Public employees on contract days should be expected to work, yes, but that expectation could be reflected in the result in school calendar.
I don’t know why you feel the need to pick a fight. This isn’t a big deal unless you decide to make it one. Just don’t assume I’m lazily basking in the glory of a snow day and I’ll be fine.
I mean— thats exactly the impression you’re giving. No one can MAKE me work. No one can CHECK my work. Just because I’m paid for this day doesn’t mean anyone can EXPECT something.
The NYT ran an opinion piece last week about school choice. NYC has charter schools with 12 hour days. The “don’t micromanage!” me attitude isn’t going to fly much longer.
NYC charter schools have nothing to do with Virginia public schools. Charter schools are notorious for poor working conditions for teachers because you don’t have to have a professional license to teach at one. The outcomes in education at charters are also not great as a result of this and many other factors such as they don’t have to abide by federal accountability standards.
Bad news:
https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-gov-youngkin-federal-school-choice-tax-credit/291-ba2b27e9-77f1-456b-b161-4b29d6bd44dd