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Anonymous wrote:The villain of the season will be Alex. He is gross.

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No, it is Chris, hands down.

This. Alex is a messed-up passive-aggressive loser but he's not actively cruel. He never love bombed much less did a 180.

Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.

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Anonymous wrote:The villain of the season will be Alex. He is gross.

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No, it is Chris, hands down.

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Anonymous wrote:Chris is just so terrible and disgusting. I predict he won’t go to the reunion b/c he comes across so irredeemable in this show. Unless he thinks coming with a [calculated] mea culpa will help his reputation, he ain’t coming. He is manipulative so maybe he thinks he can manage to look contrite. He’s the worst.

OMG!!! He tried to seduce a woman who was in a loving relationship with, “we could have been f&ck buddies.”

And the fact that he would take her to an expensive hotel. Is he used to impressing prostitutes??

This is another reason why I think he was negging jess after he saw her house. He thinks taking someone to a hotel is impressive. She (Jess) can afford her own hotel room, she doesn't need some short loser to fund it.

The ONLY THING chris has to offer is (some) money. He's not hot, he's not nice, he's not going to be faithful. Also probably why he goes for younger girls; a 20 year old might be impressed being taken to the 4 seasons whereas a rich doctor not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:About Bri and Connor. I thought she was very honest. Too honest, maybe, but I don't think it's crazy to want to be with a man who lives like a grownup and has ambitions. He's a really good guy, but that doesn't mean they're compatible. My hope with them is that they continue to date, and he makes a modest effort to level up and she makes a modest effort to "level down." I wouldn't rule out their meeting in the middle and finding a way to make it work. But the disparities are too big right now to go to the altar. Maybe too big, period, but time will tell.

Objectively speaking, Connor dresses well, takes good care of himself, he has a FT good job and he owns a house. She is not doing better than him as their salaries are in the same ballpark, and she does not look better than him but she thinks she is better than him. And like most single women v. most single men, she cares more about decorating her house and about fashion.

So I think her put down was not actually "honest". It was cruel, twisted and just poor awareness of what a good man actually is. What she wants is the fake rich, big baller, all-talk superficial persona of the crypto bro "alpha" male type. Look at a guy like Chris: sure, his place looks nice. He is tens of thousands of dollars in debt and stays at the Four Seasons on credit. Ultimately it's her loss.

She is looking for better compatibility. I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem with the fact she wasn't kinder about it. And I agree she's a little delulu about her appeal. He's better looking than she is. However she presents herself with a confidence he lacks. If he were more confident, I'm not certain she would have the reservations she does. He has been a little whiny and insecure, about Chris etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Chris is just so terrible and disgusting. I predict he won’t go to the reunion b/c he comes across so irredeemable in this show. Unless he thinks coming with a [calculated] mea culpa will help his reputation, he ain’t coming. He is manipulative so maybe he thinks he can manage to look contrite. He’s the worst.

OMG!!! He tried to seduce a woman who was in a loving relationship with, “we could have been f&ck buddies.”

And the fact that he would take her to an expensive hotel. Is he used to impressing prostitutes??

She was completely into it right up until he said “f*** buddies”
Her face changed instantly from feeling flattered and turned on to feeling insulted.

Connor is too good for both of them

I don't know what episode you were watching. She was physically cringing away from him when he said he could have turned it up in the pods and won her over. There was a nervous laugh at one point but she was *not* completely into it.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't resist, looked up spoilers. I will only say that it all tracks.

I’ve decided I don’t want spoilers, but I was tempted with that last episode. From the edit, it definitely felt like Mike assumed Emma would say no, which would leave him looking like the good guy so he didn’t have to break it off. He looked like a deer in headlights when she said yes. OR could be just the edit. We’ll see. What a horrible thing to do to someone if he says no now. Yikes.

I disagree it's horrible. It's responsible. He really wants kids, the very first thing he said at the altar. He was giving her the out, cuing her to say no first. Btw there is a rumor she knew that and deliberately said no to keep it "spicy." Who knows if that's true.

*deliberately said yes

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't resist, looked up spoilers. I will only say that it all tracks.

I’ve decided I don’t want spoilers, but I was tempted with that last episode. From the edit, it definitely felt like Mike assumed Emma would say no, which would leave him looking like the good guy so he didn’t have to break it off. He looked like a deer in headlights when she said yes. OR could be just the edit. We’ll see. What a horrible thing to do to someone if he says no now. Yikes.

I disagree it's horrible. It's responsible. He really wants kids, the very first thing he said at the altar. He was giving her the out, cuing her to say no first. Btw there is a rumor she knew that and deliberately said no to keep it "spicy." Who knows if that's true.

Anonymous wrote:Couldn't resist, looked up spoilers. I will only say that it all tracks.

I’ve decided I don’t want spoilers, but I was tempted with that last episode. From the edit, it definitely felt like Mike assumed Emma would say no, which would leave him looking like the good guy so he didn’t have to break it off. He looked like a deer in headlights when she said yes. OR could be just the edit. We’ll see. What a horrible thing to do to someone if he says no now. Yikes.

Bri and Conner: Agree with a PP on Connor. He's a catch! Bri wants a more aggressive, showy bro and that's not him. He would let her decorate their house and coach their kid's soccer team. He will find someone amazing. I would say this if the roles were reversed, so not sexist, but I don't think she has an accurate read of her own "level". She thinks she's more sophisticated and better than him, which she's not.

Amber and Jordan: I like Amber and Jordan. I hope they work out. If Amber didn't have kids, Jordan might not be her type, but he clearly thinks she's out of his league, and that could work out well long term.

Brittany and Devonta: I do not like Devonta and was pro-Brittany but this latest episode, she has a lot of issues. She says - "I understand that it's not your nature to compliment me, to say I'm pretty, to be affectionate. I'm working through that." Girl, what? Anyone who loves you and knows that's important to you would at least try. Also, so so weird that she already bought her wedding dress. Why couldn't she just try some on and find the style she liked?

Ashley and Alex: Ashley is just going along and is planning to say no to Alex. He has so many red flags, it's crazy. It's sad, as it sounds like he had a rough childhood, but his coping mechanisms of being a "nomad" and lying every other minute do not make him a good partner.

Vic and Christine: I would really like to understand why they get so little airtime and connections. I think they didn't follow them at first and then when other couples were flailing, decided to include them more. I don't think they went to Malibu at the same time everyone else was in Mexico.

Chris and Jess: Go, Jess! She will go on to find someone amazing, I hope. I bet she will have lots of successful Ohio guys in her DMs.

Emma and Mike: They seem fine, but the kid issue is big. I don't see it lasting long term.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

I think it's pretty normal for someone with no kids to want to be in a city v. burb. It's even typical of parents of young kids who often first stick around their cities for a few years. It doesn't mean he would not adapt eventually just because he expressed a preference based on his current lifestyle. I also think he would be a perfectly fine stepdad: the child already has a present father he's not there to replace, and a good mother. He'd be a good bonus human because he seems kind and fun and realizes the child is a big deal and her mom's #1 priority. Plus what Amber needs most is a man who respects her and loves her and is there for her emotionally.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

I think initially viewers thought Amber would dump him because he wasn't her equal in terms of physical attributes and were worried for him. He may be genial but he's a very basic bro type otherwise. Look at his behavior in the bar. She needs a grown-up. She'd probably end up nagging the sh*t out of him.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

Couldn't resist, looked up spoilers. I will only say that it all tracks.

Anonymous wrote:About Bri and Connor. I thought she was very honest. Too honest, maybe, but I don't think it's crazy to want to be with a man who lives like a grownup and has ambitions. He's a really good guy, but that doesn't mean they're compatible. My hope with them is that they continue to date, and he makes a modest effort to level up and she makes a modest effort to "level down." I wouldn't rule out their meeting in the middle and finding a way to make it work. But the disparities are too big right now to go to the altar. Maybe too big, period, but time will tell.

Objectively speaking, Connor dresses well, takes good care of himself, he has a FT good job and he owns a house. She is not doing better than him as their salaries are in the same ballpark, and she does not look better than him but she thinks she is better than him. And like most single women v. most single men, she cares more about decorating her house and about fashion.

So I think her put down was not actually "honest". It was cruel, twisted and just poor awareness of what a good man actually is. What she wants is the fake rich, big baller, all-talk superficial persona of the crypto bro "alpha" male type. Look at a guy like Chris: sure, his place looks nice. He is tens of thousands of dollars in debt and stays at the Four Seasons on credit. Ultimately it's her loss.