All of this chatter about what percent they are admitting, and when, and nobody is talking about departmental strengths and weaknesses over time, or any other material factors affecting the quality of undergraduate education. You don't have a clue about how to evaluate institutions; I hope your kids don't pay the price.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Maybe UChicago education would have given you some critical thinking skills. If you look at the data, UChicago gives as much financial aid as Duke. Just because ED is prevalent doesn’t mean that all ED admits are full pay.

Financial aid percentage: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=University+of+chicago&s=all&id=144050#finaid
Duke 58%
Chicago 51%
Northwestern 62%
Johns Hopkins 66%
Your critical thinking 0%

Take a look at the CSD from 2024-25 for UChicago and Duke. And take back your insults.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Maybe UChicago education would have given you some critical thinking skills. If you look at the data, UChicago gives as much financial aid as Duke. Just because ED is prevalent doesn’t mean that all ED admits are full pay.

Financial aid percentage: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=University+of+chicago&s=all&id=144050#finaid
Duke 58%
Chicago 51%
Northwestern 62%
Johns Hopkins 66%
Your critical thinking 0%

that data is for 2022-23; i am sure it fluctuates over time...

Yes, at need blind schools the pool of aid given out each year can vary by millions. Family member is a director of financial aid at a need blind school and he talks about this.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Maybe UChicago education would have given you some critical thinking skills. If you look at the data, UChicago gives as much financial aid as Duke. Just because ED is prevalent doesn’t mean that all ED admits are full pay.

Financial aid percentage: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=University+of+chicago&s=all&id=144050#finaid
Duke 58%
Chicago 51%
Northwestern 62%
Johns Hopkins 66%
Your critical thinking 0%

also the average amount seems like it was higher. So maybe they offered less kids aid but it was a higher amount? https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/university-of-chicago/financial-aid/

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Maybe UChicago education would have given you some critical thinking skills. If you look at the data, UChicago gives as much financial aid as Duke. Just because ED is prevalent doesn’t mean that all ED admits are full pay.

Financial aid percentage: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=University+of+chicago&s=all&id=144050#finaid
Duke 58%
Chicago 51%
Northwestern 62%
Johns Hopkins 66%
Your critical thinking 0%

that data is for 2022-23; i am sure it fluctuates over time...

They may be need blind but they offer a ridiculous number of spots to private school kids in the ED rounds. They know that they're hitting on full pay with the vast majority of those kids.

At the school my child attends they took 6 kids so far and all 6 are full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Maybe UChicago education would have given you some critical thinking skills. If you look at the data, UChicago gives as much financial aid as Duke. Just because ED is prevalent doesn’t mean that all ED admits are full pay.

Financial aid percentage: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=University+of+chicago&s=all&id=144050#finaid
Duke 58%
Chicago 51%
Northwestern 62%
Johns Hopkins 66%
Your critical thinking 0%

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Uchicago is need blind...

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Maybe UChicago education would have given you some critical thinking skills. If you look at the data, UChicago gives as much financial aid as Duke. Just because ED is prevalent doesn’t mean that all ED admits are full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

I don’t care what they do with their admission data- I am really grateful for what the school gave me. A world class education. I was a Pell Grant recipient and UChicago paid for most of the tuition. I seriously walked away with not only amazing education but only 10k in debt. I would be happy to send my kid there (if they get in!!).

I don’t get this. The missing admissions data is hiding that 80% of the class comes from ED rounds. You do realize that ED is disproportionately full pay? If you want to pay it forward and have Chicago help kids like you, that ED percentage has to go down.

Anonymous wrote:Read this thread and then tell your kid to study psychiatry. Going to be a booming field for the foreseeable future.

100% my takeaway

Read this thread and then tell your kid to study psychiatry. Going to be a booming field for the foreseeable future.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids go to UChicago. It is an amazing education, with very difficult quarter system and deflation of grades, so you really need to try hard. An "A" at Chicago is a notable achievement, because not trying your hardest will routinely get you a C,D or F. I am so grateful my kids are coming out of UChicago confident they can excel because they survived the professors who pushed them relentlessly. I don't understand all the sniping here- why there is a whole cohort of people who need to put the school down. I went to HYP and I see how special Chicago is, and how fortunate my kids are to attend. I don't think it has as good a pipeline into top paying jobs as Harvard, but it has a great pipeline into academia and research.

I’ll say: nothing like an ED2 admit for the HYP legacy reject. Without such a “special” school, where would your kids be?

Wow... you are really special yourself

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

Serious question: No horse in this race. Why do you care so, so much? If you don't think it's a good school, don't send your child.

There are numerous posters who think Chicago’s hijinks are beyond the pale: you must be new to this site.

I think it is a great grad school (with the caveat that many niche programs are being cut) and a legitimate top 25 undergraduate school. Never said anything to the contrary. I am not sure anyone has.

But beyond your obvious straw man, if you really have no horse in this race 1) don’t write and 2) your meta-opinion - nothing substantive - matters even less.

Yes! Because it mismanaged itself into being $6 billion in the hole!

Please consider therapy for your obsession. It’s really not healthy or productive.

DO. For catastrophically overspending on experts and programs designed to push up the school’s yield percentage and to push it up the USNWR rankings? It’s all college counselors and those reading the Chronicle of Higher Education talk about! Start educating yourself on issues before making ignorant remarks here.

This comment wasn’t even comprehensible. Time to step away from your computer and go outside.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?

Serious question: No horse in this race. Why do you care so, so much? If you don't think it's a good school, don't send your child.

This!! I do not understand such strong hate of a school?

I think it might be because Chicago has historically been an excellent nerd school. Serious students. Serious classes. A place where the life of the mind mattered much, much more than anyone's social class. Whereas these days, Chicago admissions seems to prioritize wealthy private school full pay students who can afford to take advantage of early decision. And that's a huge part of each freshman class. So the changing nature of admissions leads to changes in the character of the school. It's a conscious decision by the administration. It's neither good or bad. But there is no doubt that the Chicago of 2026 is very different than the Chicago of the 80s and 90s. Which leads to people having strong feelings.