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Anonymous wrote:More help for US citizens

Indian student enrollment in US universities has dropped by nearly 75% in the first year of the second administration of Donald Trump.

According to reports from various education consultants, this is due to visa checks, fewer interview slots, and large-scale visa cancellations as the main reasons behind this sharp fall.

Reacting to the situation, V. Ramgopal Rao, Vice-Chancellor of BITS Pilani, said the sharp fall in enrolments should not be seen as temporary.

https://m.economictimes.com/nri/study/indian-students-turn-away-from-us-as-visas-dry-up-under-trump/articleshow/126761020.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/10/01/immigration-data-indicate-indian-student-enrollment-may-plummet/

A culture that exports its own children has no hope

Don't be an idiot. People from overseas come here for an education for many reasons. They pay alot to do so and offset instate and other discounted tuition. They, in general, work hard and contribute to science, tech, etc. Some of them stay longer, temporarily or permanently. And they are set up for a better life. This is a sort of soft diplomacy that is important, esp with the rest of it getting gutted by the Orange Menace.

Reading comprehension is not your forte, PP.

The Indians enroll in American universities as part of the scam immigration pipeline. They're stealing jobs, they know they're stealing jobs so they're careful to game the system. It's a big problem. Where have you been while this subject has been discussed here on DCUM?

At elite grad programs, the Indian students come here because THEY are the best and the brightest students in the world. They lift up the programs, they are what make the greatest grad programs in the entire world great. Leave the Indian students out, and the elite American programs drop to second or third place or worse. Keep America's Universities Great by keeping the BEST students here in the #1 grad programs in the world!!!

Um, these schools were already pretty good before the Indian invasion.

Anonymous wrote:There was an Indian-American woman (physician) I saw on a debate panel (never Trump Republicans vs MAGA) who was one of the most vociferous supporters of Trump immigration policies. There was also an Iranian-American woman (based on utter lack of accent she must have grown up in the US, but she came by way of illegal immigration to Pakistan first) who was also super MAGA. Is this the pull up the ladder phenomenon?

Yes and no.
Immigrants have a exposure to their own immigrant communities that non-immigrants could never have access to.
As an Asian person, I get some interesting confessions from other Asians.
A Tibetan nanny told me she went to Nepal to shop for her passport.
An extended family member's entire nuclear family came here on a family reunification visa. That family member lived nowhere near the sponsoring family member and is actually estranged.
In China, I was flat out told that "it's easier to emigrate to the US than any European country". It was spoken as if it was optional, easy peasy. Which kind of supported Trump's statement during his first administration that other countries think the US immigration system is a joke.
My father's friend's sister married an old guy from the state of GA. He promised her he would sponsor her family but he never did and she keeps waiting. It's a straight up transactional deal.
I met a 21 year old who was enrolled in high school in Flushing, Queens. She was frustrated that they were teaching her in Chinese (because, you know, woke sensitivity) when her goal was to learn English so she could work.

When you hear enough such stories you have to wonder about the US immigration system. The above wasn't spoken of as a secretive confession but something that only an Asian would matter of a fact tell another Asian like it's no big deal. But it's actually kind of gross abuses of the system.

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Anonymous wrote:More room for Americans. Awesome!

Less competition from Asian students, means less-qualified Americans get in.

Let's see, how's that work???

My child's grad stem program was, until this year, considered the best in the world.

Not the US, the WORLD.

About half the students in her cohort were from Asia.

Excluding these students means my DD's grad program is no longer be the best in the world.

Those brilliant students from Asia are enrolling in European and Canadian universities now, making European and Canadian stem programs the best in the world.

America second -- or third or fourth or fifth....

Yea!!!

Why do these brilliant students need to go overseas to make foreign programs the best of the world if they can stay home and make local programs the best.

What a dumb comment. They go overseas because of reputation. Why don’t you send your kid to the local community college so they help improve its programs?

The comment is not dumb, but you are. First you made a stupid comment then missed the point of the response.

The purpose of attending a good college is not to improve its program as you state in your original comment, but learn from the best. Thus all your brilliant students attend good colleges overseas, because that’s where the best teach. So who cares, if they stay home and don’t come here. Universities can hire the best professors from overseas, not bring foreign students.

You have no concept of how universities operate. Indians, topic of the thread, come to USA for job opportunities via no name colleges. (Good for them. We need smart people in USA.)

People go to "good" colleges for prestige, not for better education. The prestigious researches aren't putting energy into teaching, and aren't good teachers.

Clearly, you never attended an "elite" institution. Maybe not even a "good" one.

I'm not the previous poster, but...

I've attended several second and third tiered universities filled with foreign students and professors you know the big mid-western state schools. So, I am more of an authority on these things than you.

Questions remain. If they're so talented, why are they teaching and attending third tier universities. People have claimed that our education system isn't very good, so we need to bring them in, but they have been here for a while dominating the STEM departments at these schools, but the quality of the education hasn't improved, and fewer Americans are going into these programs. How is that so. Shouldn't American's be lining up to learn STEM skills from these professors? Doesn't make any sense to many of us, but to me it's clearly the fact that these schools are functioning as Visa mills.

The weakness is the US system is middle and high school, where behavior problems and weak expectations stymy progress.

We under-address generational poverty, and we underpay/underesteem our teachers.

It goes back to elementary school. We bring down our best and brightest with low expectations. The only ones that get out are the wealthiest who can afford $50k/yr for non-religious private school.

I had a better education in a steel town years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More room for Americans. Awesome!

Less competition from Asian students, means less-qualified Americans get in.

Let's see, how's that work???

My child's grad stem program was, until this year, considered the best in the world.

Not the US, the WORLD.

About half the students in her cohort were from Asia.

Excluding these students means my DD's grad program is no longer be the best in the world.

Those brilliant students from Asia are enrolling in European and Canadian universities now, making European and Canadian stem programs the best in the world.

America second -- or third or fourth or fifth....

Yea!!!

Why do these brilliant students need to go overseas to make foreign programs the best of the world if they can stay home and make local programs the best.

What a dumb comment. They go overseas because of reputation. Why don’t you send your kid to the local community college so they help improve its programs?

The comment is not dumb, but you are. First you made a stupid comment then missed the point of the response.

The purpose of attending a good college is not to improve its program as you state in your original comment, but learn from the best. Thus all your brilliant students attend good colleges overseas, because that’s where the best teach. So who cares, if they stay home and don’t come here. Universities can hire the best professors from overseas, not bring foreign students.

You have no concept of how universities operate. Indians, topic of the thread, come to USA for job opportunities via no name colleges. (Good for them. We need smart people in USA.)

People go to "good" colleges for prestige, not for better education. The prestigious researches aren't putting energy into teaching, and aren't good teachers.

Clearly, you never attended an "elite" institution. Maybe not even a "good" one.

I'm not the previous poster, but...

I've attended several second and third tiered universities filled with foreign students and professors you know the big mid-western state schools. So, I am more of an authority on these things than you.

Questions remain. If they're so talented, why are they teaching and attending third tier universities. People have claimed that our education system isn't very good, so we need to bring them in, but they have been here for a while dominating the STEM departments at these schools, but the quality of the education hasn't improved, and fewer Americans are going into these programs. How is that so. Shouldn't American's be lining up to learn STEM skills from these professors? Doesn't make any sense to many of us, but to me it's clearly the fact that these schools are functioning as Visa mills.

The weakness is the US system is middle and high school, where behavior problems and weak expectations stymy progress.

We under-address generational poverty, and we underpay/underesteem our teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More help for US citizens

Indian student enrollment in US universities has dropped by nearly 75% in the first year of the second administration of Donald Trump.

According to reports from various education consultants, this is due to visa checks, fewer interview slots, and large-scale visa cancellations as the main reasons behind this sharp fall.

Reacting to the situation, V. Ramgopal Rao, Vice-Chancellor of BITS Pilani, said the sharp fall in enrolments should not be seen as temporary.

https://m.economictimes.com/nri/study/indian-students-turn-away-from-us-as-visas-dry-up-under-trump/articleshow/126761020.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/10/01/immigration-data-indicate-indian-student-enrollment-may-plummet/

A culture that exports its own children has no hope

Don't be an idiot. People from overseas come here for an education for many reasons. They pay alot to do so and offset instate and other discounted tuition. They, in general, work hard and contribute to science, tech, etc. Some of them stay longer, temporarily or permanently. And they are set up for a better life. This is a sort of soft diplomacy that is important, esp with the rest of it getting gutted by the Orange Menace.

Reading comprehension is not your forte, PP.

The Indians enroll in American universities as part of the scam immigration pipeline. They're stealing jobs, they know they're stealing jobs so they're careful to game the system. It's a big problem. Where have you been while this subject has been discussed here on DCUM?

At elite grad programs, the Indian students come here because THEY are the best and the brightest students in the world. They lift up the programs, they are what make the greatest grad programs in the entire world great. Leave the Indian students out, and the elite American programs drop to second or third place or worse. Keep America's Universities Great by keeping the BEST students here in the #1 grad programs in the world!!!

Not that they're not bright students but they do pay full price.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More help for US citizens

Indian student enrollment in US universities has dropped by nearly 75% in the first year of the second administration of Donald Trump.

According to reports from various education consultants, this is due to visa checks, fewer interview slots, and large-scale visa cancellations as the main reasons behind this sharp fall.

Reacting to the situation, V. Ramgopal Rao, Vice-Chancellor of BITS Pilani, said the sharp fall in enrolments should not be seen as temporary.

https://m.economictimes.com/nri/study/indian-students-turn-away-from-us-as-visas-dry-up-under-trump/articleshow/126761020.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/10/01/immigration-data-indicate-indian-student-enrollment-may-plummet/

A culture that exports its own children has no hope

Don't be an idiot. People from overseas come here for an education for many reasons. They pay alot to do so and offset instate and other discounted tuition. They, in general, work hard and contribute to science, tech, etc. Some of them stay longer, temporarily or permanently. And they are set up for a better life. This is a sort of soft diplomacy that is important, esp with the rest of it getting gutted by the Orange Menace.

Reading comprehension is not your forte, PP.

The Indians enroll in American universities as part of the scam immigration pipeline. They're stealing jobs, they know they're stealing jobs so they're careful to game the system. It's a big problem. Where have you been while this subject has been discussed here on DCUM?

At elite grad programs, the Indian students come here because THEY are the best and the brightest students in the world. They lift up the programs, they are what make the greatest grad programs in the entire world great. Leave the Indian students out, and the elite American programs drop to second or third place or worse. Keep America's Universities Great by keeping the BEST students here in the #1 grad programs in the world!!!

This is why I don't respect elite Americans anymore; they just aren't the brightest and haven't been for some time.

You can't outsource merit.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More help for US citizens

Indian student enrollment in US universities has dropped by nearly 75% in the first year of the second administration of Donald Trump.

According to reports from various education consultants, this is due to visa checks, fewer interview slots, and large-scale visa cancellations as the main reasons behind this sharp fall.

Reacting to the situation, V. Ramgopal Rao, Vice-Chancellor of BITS Pilani, said the sharp fall in enrolments should not be seen as temporary.

https://m.economictimes.com/nri/study/indian-students-turn-away-from-us-as-visas-dry-up-under-trump/articleshow/126761020.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/10/01/immigration-data-indicate-indian-student-enrollment-may-plummet/

A culture that exports its own children has no hope

Don't be an idiot. People from overseas come here for an education for many reasons. They pay alot to do so and offset instate and other discounted tuition. They, in general, work hard and contribute to science, tech, etc. Some of them stay longer, temporarily or permanently. And they are set up for a better life. This is a sort of soft diplomacy that is important, esp with the rest of it getting gutted by the Orange Menace.

Reading comprehension is not your forte, PP.

The Indians enroll in American universities as part of the scam immigration pipeline. They're stealing jobs, they know they're stealing jobs so they're careful to game the system. It's a big problem. Where have you been while this subject has been discussed here on DCUM?

At elite grad programs, the Indian students come here because THEY are the best and the brightest students in the world. They lift up the programs, they are what make the greatest grad programs in the entire world great. Leave the Indian students out, and the elite American programs drop to second or third place or worse. Keep America's Universities Great by keeping the BEST students here in the #1 grad programs in the world!!!

They’re even recruiting cheerleaders now^^

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More help for US citizens

Indian student enrollment in US universities has dropped by nearly 75% in the first year of the second administration of Donald Trump.

According to reports from various education consultants, this is due to visa checks, fewer interview slots, and large-scale visa cancellations as the main reasons behind this sharp fall.

Reacting to the situation, V. Ramgopal Rao, Vice-Chancellor of BITS Pilani, said the sharp fall in enrolments should not be seen as temporary.

https://m.economictimes.com/nri/study/indian-students-turn-away-from-us-as-visas-dry-up-under-trump/articleshow/126761020.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/10/01/immigration-data-indicate-indian-student-enrollment-may-plummet/

A culture that exports its own children has no hope

Don't be an idiot. People from overseas come here for an education for many reasons. They pay alot to do so and offset instate and other discounted tuition. They, in general, work hard and contribute to science, tech, etc. Some of them stay longer, temporarily or permanently. And they are set up for a better life. This is a sort of soft diplomacy that is important, esp with the rest of it getting gutted by the Orange Menace.

Reading comprehension is not your forte, PP.

The Indians enroll in American universities as part of the scam immigration pipeline. They're stealing jobs, they know they're stealing jobs so they're careful to game the system. It's a big problem. Where have you been while this subject has been discussed here on DCUM?

At elite grad programs, the Indian students come here because THEY are the best and the brightest students in the world. They lift up the programs, they are what make the greatest grad programs in the entire world great. Leave the Indian students out, and the elite American programs drop to second or third place or worse. Keep America's Universities Great by keeping the BEST students here in the #1 grad programs in the world!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More room for Americans. Awesome!

Less competition from Asian students, means less-qualified Americans get in.

Let's see, how's that work???

My child's grad stem program was, until this year, considered the best in the world.

Not the US, the WORLD.

About half the students in her cohort were from Asia.

Excluding these students means my DD's grad program is no longer be the best in the world.

Those brilliant students from Asia are enrolling in European and Canadian universities now, making European and Canadian stem programs the best in the world.

America second -- or third or fourth or fifth....

Yea!!!

Why do these brilliant students need to go overseas to make foreign programs the best of the world if they can stay home and make local programs the best.

What a dumb comment. They go overseas because of reputation. Why don’t you send your kid to the local community college so they help improve its programs?

The comment is not dumb, but you are. First you made a stupid comment then missed the point of the response.

The purpose of attending a good college is not to improve its program as you state in your original comment, but learn from the best. Thus all your brilliant students attend good colleges overseas, because that’s where the best teach. So who cares, if they stay home and don’t come here. Universities can hire the best professors from overseas, not bring foreign students.

You have no concept of how universities operate. Indians, topic of the thread, come to USA for job opportunities via no name colleges. (Good for them. We need smart people in USA.)

People go to "good" colleges for prestige, not for better education. The prestigious researches aren't putting energy into teaching, and aren't good teachers.

Clearly, you never attended an "elite" institution. Maybe not even a "good" one.

I'm not the previous poster, but...

I've attended several second and third tiered universities filled with foreign students and professors you know the big mid-western state schools. So, I am more of an authority on these things than you.

Questions remain. If they're so talented, why are they teaching and attending third tier universities. People have claimed that our education system isn't very good, so we need to bring them in, but they have been here for a while dominating the STEM departments at these schools, but the quality of the education hasn't improved, and fewer Americans are going into these programs. How is that so. Shouldn't American's be lining up to learn STEM skills from these professors? Doesn't make any sense to many of us, but to me it's clearly the fact that these schools are functioning as Visa mills.

They will be going to EU universities.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More help for US citizens

Indian student enrollment in US universities has dropped by nearly 75% in the first year of the second administration of Donald Trump.

According to reports from various education consultants, this is due to visa checks, fewer interview slots, and large-scale visa cancellations as the main reasons behind this sharp fall.

Reacting to the situation, V. Ramgopal Rao, Vice-Chancellor of BITS Pilani, said the sharp fall in enrolments should not be seen as temporary.

https://m.economictimes.com/nri/study/indian-students-turn-away-from-us-as-visas-dry-up-under-trump/articleshow/126761020.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/10/01/immigration-data-indicate-indian-student-enrollment-may-plummet/

A culture that exports its own children has no hope

It's merely a reflection of conditions being much worse where people come from, same as with all the immigrants from Central and South America. It's a one-way highway for a reason. People are motivated by the potential for economic prosperity; few care at all about the ever-changing and always temporary changes of direction of the U.S. gov't, as long as the U.S. continues to be seen as relatively prosperous when compared to other countries.

This used to be true, but not in this Trump era. Sure, international college students probably weren’t very concerned about our tax rates and national debt. But they do care about coming here only to be swept off the streets by Trump’s thugs. The legality of their situation is irrelevant. The 3 biggest immigration stories right now are Renee Good, Liam Ramos family, and Alex Pretti. None of them were here illegally.