Anonymous wrote:I personally eat meat rarely but I think we have so many issues in the US with the way meat is sourced. If most people knew how, they just would not eat it because it would disgust them regardless of moral/ethical objections. I think that's a more important topic than whether to eat/not eat meat.

Do you know how plants and veggies are sourced? You wouldn’t eat any if you knew.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t. Because it not optimal and is inflammatory. Plant proteins are better sources. It’s a personal choice, though, I don’t care if others want to.

The volume of food you must eat to get 145g of protein (which is the amount recommended for someone my age, height, and weight) on a plant based diet is too much. I can’t eat that much. It’s easier to hit recommended protein goals with lean meats.

Americans are obsessed with protein. They’re not one with cholesterol or heart health, unfortunately.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/is-plant-based-protein-for-you-heres-what-you-need-to-know

You weigh 362.5 pounds???

.36 g per pound of body weight, possibly more (but research is not conclusive) for people over 70

Easy to do with grain and beans. You do not have to eat 20 pounds of broccoli.

No, it’s recommended 1g per pound of body weight.

Maybe your personal trainer says that? Nobody else:

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096
The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight, or 0.36 grams per pound. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it's the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/are-you-getting-too-much-protein#:~:text=If%20you're%20an%20average,grams%20of%20protein%20per%20day.
If you're an average adult.
The recommended dietary allowance to prevent deficiency for an average sedentary adult is 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight. For example, a person who weighs 165 pounds, or 75 kilograms, should consume 60 grams of protein per day.(a kilo is about 2.2 pounds)

Even athletes often get more protein than they need without supplements because their calorie requirements are higher. With more food comes more protein.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/how-much-protein-do-you-really-need
Most adults need between 0.8 and 1.6 grams of protein per kilogram (2.2 pounds) of body weight, or 10% to 35% of total daily calories, says Yasi Ansari, RDN, senior dietitian with UCLA Health.

https://blogs.cdc.gov/nchs/2010/03/03/953/
However, according to the 2005-2006 National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), both men and women ages 20 and over were taking in much more than the recommended amount of protein. The recommended daily amount of protein is 46 grams for women and 56 grams for men. The NHANES results showed that men were taking in 101.9 grams and women were taking in 70.1 grams. Protein intake contributes to calorie intake: therefore, if you eat more protein than is needed, your overall calorie intake could be greater and potentially lead to weight gain.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26797090/
To meet the functional needs such as promoting skeletal-muscle protein accretion and physical strength, dietary intake of 1.0, 1.3, and 1.6 g protein per kg BW per day is recommended for individuals with minimal, moderate, and intense physical activity, respectively.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I’m likely the most progressive, farthest-left person on this entire forum, and I eat meat and fish.

Because I understand biology. Humans are omnivores. That’s not subject to argument. We have molar teeth for crushing plant and vegetable material, and we have incisor and canine teeth for biting and tearing flesh. We are dependent on large intake of animal protein and fat when young to achieve proper brain development. This is one thing that distinguishes us from the other high order primates, where fat and protein intake in young comes only from milk and stops at weaning.


Remove emotion. Remove whatever morality you think you have to abide by. Only consider the science. And the science tells us we should be omnivores. And science is truth.

Shame on you! You sound like MAGA.

What sort of "You sound like MAGA" bot has been unleashed on this thread. A post saying "science is truth" is being called MAGA?

Bad bot.

The funny thing is that MAGA know more about science these days (remember COVID?)

They were right that surgical masks were useless.

Anonymous wrote:If the Democrat left really believed their own messaging about climate change, they would stop eating meat. But they don’t.

I will believe climate change is a problem when the people who say it’s a problem start acting like it’s a problem.

Climate change is a problem as it relates to human existence for the long term. Anyone who denies that simple fact is an idiot. Whether or not humans could have done something to substantially slow climate change is a moot point. There is no reversing the inevitable at this point. We'll either evolve quickly as a species or we'll go extinct. If we go extinct, the Earth will cleanse itself in a few thousand years and then life forms as intelligent or more intelligent than humans will likely exist again. Climate and life are cycles in constant motion.

Celebrities and billionaires are getting around the globe; when they stop, I will stop eating meat.

In the meantime, I'm cutting back eating meat just because we can't afford it as much as we used to.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t. Because it not optimal and is inflammatory. Plant proteins are better sources. It’s a personal choice, though, I don’t care if others want to.

The volume of food you must eat to get 145g of protein (which is the amount recommended for someone my age, height, and weight) on a plant based diet is too much. I can’t eat that much. It’s easier to hit recommended protein goals with lean meats.

Americans are obsessed with protein. They’re not one with cholesterol or heart health, unfortunately.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/is-plant-based-protein-for-you-heres-what-you-need-to-know

You weigh 362.5 pounds???

.36 g per pound of body weight, possibly more (but research is not conclusive) for people over 70

Easy to do with grain and beans. You do not have to eat 20 pounds of broccoli.

No, it’s recommended 1g per pound of body weight.

Most animals eat other animals. We’re animals too, we just happen to be at the top of the food chain.

If the Democrat left really believed their own messaging about climate change, they would stop eating meat. But they don’t.

I will believe climate change is a problem when the people who say it’s a problem start acting like it’s a problem.

Plants are indeed living things. They reproduce, can defend themselves by poisoning humans and animals, and centuries ago, our ancestors were terrified of plants because you weren’t sure if they’d kill you. A bear can feed you for a month, but one berry may kill

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I’m likely the most progressive, farthest-left person on this entire forum, and I eat meat and fish.

Because I understand biology. Humans are omnivores. That’s not subject to argument. We have molar teeth for crushing plant and vegetable material, and we have incisor and canine teeth for biting and tearing flesh. We are dependent on large intake of animal protein and fat when young to achieve proper brain development. This is one thing that distinguishes us from the other high order primates, where fat and protein intake in young comes only from milk and stops at weaning.


Remove emotion. Remove whatever morality you think you have to abide by. Only consider the science. And the science tells us we should be omnivores. And science is truth.

Shame on you! You sound like MAGA.

And you sound like a moron driven solely by emotion.

Anonymous wrote:I was born this way.

I was born vegetarian, but now identify myself as carnivore. But left for some reason hate my identity and refuse to add letter C to LGBTQ... list.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I’m likely the most progressive, farthest-left person on this entire forum, and I eat meat and fish.

Because I understand biology. Humans are omnivores. That’s not subject to argument. We have molar teeth for crushing plant and vegetable material, and we have incisor and canine teeth for biting and tearing flesh. We are dependent on large intake of animal protein and fat when young to achieve proper brain development. This is one thing that distinguishes us from the other high order primates, where fat and protein intake in young comes only from milk and stops at weaning.


Remove emotion. Remove whatever morality you think you have to abide by. Only consider the science. And the science tells us we should be omnivores. And science is truth.

Shame on you! You sound like MAGA.

What sort of "You sound like MAGA" bot has been unleashed on this thread. A post saying "science is truth" is being called MAGA?

Bad bot.

The funny thing is that MAGA know more about science these days (remember COVID?)

I personally eat meat rarely but I think we have so many issues in the US with the way meat is sourced. If most people knew how, they just would not eat it because it would disgust them regardless of moral/ethical objections. I think that's a more important topic than whether to eat/not eat meat.

Why are you wasting our time with this? Meat is delicious. If you don't want to eat it, don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It's delicious and nutritious. What exactly is your question?

Is the taste and nutrition of it justified when it ends someone else’s life? There are plenty of other options for delicious and nutritious food.

Someone else? Anthropomorphic much? And there's nothing as delicious as meat. To prove my point, there's no artificial artichoke or carrots made from meat. Yet there's artificial meat made from soybeans and peas. Why would a vegetarian want to eat fake meat if it weren't inherently more delicious?

Is an animal more of a someone or a something? It’s not a thing. It’s a living being. We’re all animals at the end of the day.

I’m not denying that meat tastes good. I’m asking if you think it’s ethically justified to kill an animal because you think its flesh tastes good?

I mean you're an idiot. I'm asking if you think it's ethically justified to live on this earth because you're happy?

Your question of killing an animal to eat it is so stupid I wish you could listen to yourself. Since the beginning of time people have hunted and eaten animals and oh by the way, there were plenty of berries and vegetables to sustain them! It's not the eating of meat that's detrimental as it is the waste of any resource.

The most spiritual of civilizations have eaten and hunted meat - that in itself is not anything to be ashamed of. People like you are confused and cannot process big picture thinking that involves complexity of thought.

It's like people who are against buying diamonds in the raw. It's not all slave labor - done correctly - nothing is as effective in providing resources to poor communities in African mines as the wealth generated by diamond sales. The ones who are greedy should be locked up in how they withhold funds from those who work, but the sale of those diamonds are the lifeline if those communities - they were given a natural resource to sell and people who don't understand that legit sales of diamonds contribute wonderful ways by which communities can be supported lack intelligence.

By suggesting you shouldn't eat any meat because all animals should live is just totally insane.