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Anonymous wrote:Fear of jail may not deter people from committing crimes, but the act of keeping them incarcerated does wonders. You can’t set people riding trains on fire from inside the pokey.

Jail is better than being poor and jobless due to a criminal record. Free food, healthcare, room and board, gym, recreation, even arts and diploma /degree program. The jails in the US are practically a socialization center/ daycare /group home for gang members.

Many of these crimes are done by these men intentionally so they can spend life back in jail where the going was good compared to the real world where nothing and no one’s out there to live for
What would scare people is the death penalty or hard prison camp conditions like North Korea

and yet russia and nk still have criminals

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

+1 Because that level of mental illness is not curable or fixable. He should have been incarcerated or hospitalized for life.

Why in earth should taxpayers be on the hook to care for scumbags for life? Why are these “mentally ill” criminals always so careful to only attack smaller/weaker victims and also have the wherewithal to try to get away with it? If they are so crazy, so “gone” that you want to hook them up with taxpayer funded care for life, why do they never do anything really crazy like attack a 6’3 police officer? Ridiculous. Bullets or rope are super cheap.

A different answer would be to have them be responsible for their own upkeep rather than at expense of taxpayers. They should work, like the rest of us, whether growing crops and preparing food to feed themselves, the maintenance and upkeep of the facility, plus generating revenue to cover the costs of the prison. The rest of us have to pay our own way, so there's no credible argument that it's somehow cruel and unusal.

That’s called slavery you idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

+1 Because that level of mental illness is not curable or fixable. He should have been incarcerated or hospitalized for life.

Why in earth should taxpayers be on the hook to care for scumbags for life? Why are these “mentally ill” criminals always so careful to only attack smaller/weaker victims and also have the wherewithal to try to get away with it? If they are so crazy, so “gone” that you want to hook them up with taxpayer funded care for life, why do they never do anything really crazy like attack a 6’3 police officer? Ridiculous. Bullets or rope are super cheap.

A different answer would be to have them be responsible for their own upkeep rather than at expense of taxpayers. They should work, like the rest of us, whether growing crops and preparing food to feed themselves, the maintenance and upkeep of the facility, plus generating revenue to cover the costs of the prison. The rest of us have to pay our own way, so there's no credible argument that it's somehow cruel and unusal.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, what is going on in Chicago? How many more of these are going to happen? So sad for these young women.

https://www.newsweek.com/who-is-bethany-magee-woman-set-on-fire-on-chicago-train-identified-11096277

Be a good American and excuse the savagery. Celebrate the diversity and be as happy as you can. Violent crime is part of the urban charm of places like Chicago. Be better, OP.

Anonymous wrote:Fear of jail may not deter people from committing crimes, but the act of keeping them incarcerated does wonders. You can’t set people riding trains on fire from inside the pokey.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in chicago and I’m fairly liberal but this is ridiculous. Three strikes and you are out! We could have prevented this.

There were 70, 70! chances to prevent this. The prosecutor begged the judge to hold him after this guy’s last unprovoked attack on a woman. She did not. And another innocent woman paid the price.

Actually, there were 72 chances.

“I can’t keep everybody in jail because the State’s Attorney wants me to.” That is what the judge said before releasing this monster with an ankle monitor. This judge should make a visit to the burn unit and see what her actions have caused.

And, he repeatedly violated his court-ordered curfew. Why have such a program if it is not monitored or enforced??

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The 50-year-old man facing federal terrorism charges for allegedly setting a woman on fire aboard a Chicago train last week had repeatedly violated his court-ordered curfew and movement restrictions stemming from a prior violent offense case, court records show.

Lawrence Reed had been ordered onto electronic monitoring on Aug. 22, when Cook County Judge Teresa Molina-Gonzalez denied a prosecution request to keep him jailed on felony allegations that he knocked a social worker unconscious while at MacNeal Hospital’s psychiatric ward.

During that hearing, transcripts show Molina-Gonzalez told prosecutors: "I can’t keep everybody in jail because the State’s Attorney wants me to."

According to the newly filed document in that battery case, Cook County electronic monitoring records show Reed repeatedly violated his curfew and movement restrictions in the days leading up to the alleged Chicago Transit Authority attack on Nov. 17.

he logs detail multiple instances where Reed left his home with his ankle monitor without authorization, returned late, or triggered "escalated alerts" indicating prolonged or serious non-compliance.

The violations span several dates, including Nov. 9, Nov. 12–13, Nov. 14–15, and Nov. 15 again, with additional alerts on the night of Nov. 17 — the date of the alleged CTA attack.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-train-attack-suspect-repeatedly-violated-curfew-movement-restrictions-records-show

That judge should be removed from office. She clearly doesn't care about the harm violent criminals and the severely mentally ill might inflict on innocent victims.

I totally agree. Too many judges are pro-criminal and care very little for the actual victims.

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

+1 Because that level of mental illness is not curable or fixable. He should have been incarcerated or hospitalized for life.

Why in earth should taxpayers be on the hook to care for scumbags for life? Why are these “mentally ill” criminals always so careful to only attack smaller/weaker victims and also have the wherewithal to try to get away with it? If they are so crazy, so “gone” that you want to hook them up with taxpayer funded care for life, why do they never do anything really crazy like attack a 6’3 police officer? Ridiculous. Bullets or rope are super cheap.

A different answer would be to have them be responsible for their own upkeep rather than at expense of taxpayers. They should work, like the rest of us, whether growing crops and preparing food to feed themselves, the maintenance and upkeep of the facility, plus generating revenue to cover the costs of the prison. The rest of us have to pay our own way, so there's no credible argument that it's somehow cruel and unusal.

That’s called slavery you idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Fear of jail may not deter people from committing crimes, but the act of keeping them incarcerated does wonders. You can’t set people riding trains on fire from inside the pokey.

Jail is better than being poor and jobless due to a criminal record. Free food, healthcare, room and board, gym, recreation, even arts and diploma /degree program. The jails in the US are practically a socialization center/ daycare /group home for gang members.

Many of these crimes are done by these men intentionally so they can spend life back in jail where the going was good compared to the real world where nothing and no one’s out there to live for
What would scare people is the death penalty or hard prison camp conditions like North Korea

Anonymous wrote:Wow, what is going on in Chicago? How many more of these are going to happen? So sad for these young women.

https://www.newsweek.com/who-is-bethany-magee-woman-set-on-fire-on-chicago-train-identified-11096277

Anonymous wrote:Fear of jail may not deter people from committing crimes, but the act of keeping them incarcerated does wonders. You can’t set people riding trains on fire from inside the pokey.