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Anonymous wrote:Such an entertaining discussion to read, as the parent of a high-scoring Banneker student.

If you have a smart kid looking for a demanding high school education, Banneker is an excellent choice.

If you are looking for a school full of affluent white kids, Banneker is not it. But you didn’t need SAT data to tell you that.

+1, knowing multiple kids at both Walls and Banneker (would be thrilled if my own child got a spot either place, Banneker is much closer to where we live) the idea that Banneker kids are somehow inferior is laughable to me. Banneker is slightly larger and, yes, has a larger at risk population. No idea where the PP is getting SAT scores but I would assume that would account for the difference in scores. They are not directly equivalent populations. But the kids I know both places are all incredibly accomplished.

The SAT difference is nearly 150 points. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a chasm. And you can find the average SAT scores lots of places, they’re publicly reported by the schools themselves. Just google.

More than 150. DC publishes the data. Walls vs Banneker.
23-24 it was 196 points
22-23 it was 221 points
21-22 it was 229 points

Yes. There are a lot of other statistical measurements that might be helpful. Like a range so you can see top scores, even a median might be helpful. Because if Banneker has 25 percent of big need students and SAT is very correlated with poverty, 1/4 bad scores would bring down an average pretty quickly.

The fact that Banneker hasn't had NMSFs in recent years, but that Walls always has a handful, makes me think that top scorers do prefer Walls.
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I think what the numbers and discussion tell me is that Walls has more very high scoring kids and Banneker has more very low scoring kids.

The top quarter of Walls does not exist at Banneker, and the bottom quarter at Banneker does not exist at Walls.

I bet there are many kids in the middle who could fit in at either school.

Anonymous wrote:I simply doubt Rhee-era data is relevant any more. The number of people applying to Banneker basically doubled when the school relocated. Banneker is now essentially on top of the Shaw metro stop, and thus easier to access from nearly everywhere. The new facility also has much better athletic facilities, which matters a lot to some students.

Also, back in the Rhee era Banneker had a uniform; now they merely have a dress code. And while I’m sure there are kids who prefer Walls because they value the opportunity to wear ripped jeans, miniskirts, and tube tops to class, as the parent of a teenager I have to believe that number is smaller than the number who wanted to avoid the old polo-and-khakis uniform.

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Anonymous wrote:Such an entertaining discussion to read, as the parent of a high-scoring Banneker student.

If you have a smart kid looking for a demanding high school education, Banneker is an excellent choice.

If you are looking for a school full of affluent white kids, Banneker is not it. But you didn’t need SAT data to tell you that.

+1, knowing multiple kids at both Walls and Banneker (would be thrilled if my own child got a spot either place, Banneker is much closer to where we live) the idea that Banneker kids are somehow inferior is laughable to me. Banneker is slightly larger and, yes, has a larger at risk population. No idea where the PP is getting SAT scores but I would assume that would account for the difference in scores. They are not directly equivalent populations. But the kids I know both places are all incredibly accomplished.

The SAT difference is nearly 150 points. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a chasm. And you can find the average SAT scores lots of places, they’re publicly reported by the schools themselves. Just google.

More than 150. DC publishes the data. Walls vs Banneker.
23-24 it was 196 points
22-23 it was 221 points
21-22 it was 229 points

Yes. There are a lot of other statistical measurements that might be helpful. Like a range so you can see top scores, even a median might be helpful. Because if Banneker has 25 percent of big need students and SAT is very correlated with poverty, 1/4 bad scores would bring down an average pretty quickly.

The fact that Banneker hasn't had NMSFs in recent years, but that Walls always has a handful, makes me think that top scorers do prefer Walls.
Rel

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Anonymous wrote:Such an entertaining discussion to read, as the parent of a high-scoring Banneker student.

If you have a smart kid looking for a demanding high school education, Banneker is an excellent choice.

If you are looking for a school full of affluent white kids, Banneker is not it. But you didn’t need SAT data to tell you that.

+1, knowing multiple kids at both Walls and Banneker (would be thrilled if my own child got a spot either place, Banneker is much closer to where we live) the idea that Banneker kids are somehow inferior is laughable to me. Banneker is slightly larger and, yes, has a larger at risk population. No idea where the PP is getting SAT scores but I would assume that would account for the difference in scores. They are not directly equivalent populations. But the kids I know both places are all incredibly accomplished.

The SAT difference is nearly 150 points. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a chasm. And you can find the average SAT scores lots of places, they’re publicly reported by the schools themselves. Just google.

More than 150. DC publishes the data. Walls vs Banneker.
23-24 it was 196 points
22-23 it was 221 points
21-22 it was 229 points

Yes. There are a lot of other statistical measurements that might be helpful. Like a range so you can see top scores, even a median might be helpful. Because if Banneker has 25 percent of big need students and SAT is very correlated with poverty, 1/4 bad scores would bring down an average pretty quickly.

The fact that Banneker hasn't had NMSFs in recent years, but that Walls always has a handful, makes me think that top scorers do prefer Walls.
Rel

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Anonymous wrote:Such an entertaining discussion to read, as the parent of a high-scoring Banneker student.

If you have a smart kid looking for a demanding high school education, Banneker is an excellent choice.

If you are looking for a school full of affluent white kids, Banneker is not it. But you didn’t need SAT data to tell you that.

+1, knowing multiple kids at both Walls and Banneker (would be thrilled if my own child got a spot either place, Banneker is much closer to where we live) the idea that Banneker kids are somehow inferior is laughable to me. Banneker is slightly larger and, yes, has a larger at risk population. No idea where the PP is getting SAT scores but I would assume that would account for the difference in scores. They are not directly equivalent populations. But the kids I know both places are all incredibly accomplished.

The SAT difference is nearly 150 points. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a chasm. And you can find the average SAT scores lots of places, they’re publicly reported by the schools themselves. Just google.

More than 150. DC publishes the data. Walls vs Banneker.
23-24 it was 196 points
22-23 it was 221 points
21-22 it was 229 points

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Anonymous wrote:Such an entertaining discussion to read, as the parent of a high-scoring Banneker student.

If you have a smart kid looking for a demanding high school education, Banneker is an excellent choice.

If you are looking for a school full of affluent white kids, Banneker is not it. But you didn’t need SAT data to tell you that.

+1, knowing multiple kids at both Walls and Banneker (would be thrilled if my own child got a spot either place, Banneker is much closer to where we live) the idea that Banneker kids are somehow inferior is laughable to me. Banneker is slightly larger and, yes, has a larger at risk population. No idea where the PP is getting SAT scores but I would assume that would account for the difference in scores. They are not directly equivalent populations. But the kids I know both places are all incredibly accomplished.

The SAT difference is nearly 150 points. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a chasm. And you can find the average SAT scores lots of places, they’re publicly reported by the schools themselves. Just google.

More than 150. DC publishes the data. Walls vs Banneker.
23-24 it was 196 points
22-23 it was 221 points
21-22 it was 229 points

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Anonymous wrote:Such an entertaining discussion to read, as the parent of a high-scoring Banneker student.

If you have a smart kid looking for a demanding high school education, Banneker is an excellent choice.

If you are looking for a school full of affluent white kids, Banneker is not it. But you didn’t need SAT data to tell you that.

+1, knowing multiple kids at both Walls and Banneker (would be thrilled if my own child got a spot either place, Banneker is much closer to where we live) the idea that Banneker kids are somehow inferior is laughable to me. Banneker is slightly larger and, yes, has a larger at risk population. No idea where the PP is getting SAT scores but I would assume that would account for the difference in scores. They are not directly equivalent populations. But the kids I know both places are all incredibly accomplished.

The SAT difference is nearly 150 points. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a chasm. And you can find the average SAT scores lots of places, they’re publicly reported by the schools themselves. Just google.

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Anonymous wrote:No what I’m pointing out is that people say Walls has better test scores than Banneker. I’m saying you have to consider that in light of Banneker’s 3x higher, 69 percent Black population, a population that underperforms on tests independent of everything else. They are likely educating very well but test scores aren’t the best way to see that. That’s the whole point.

Eugenics has entered the discussion! Did you really just argue that black kids are worse at testing than white kids, all other factors being equal?

So… descriptively this is just a statistical reality. Eugenics only enters in as a causal mechanism.

I, personally, believe that the disparity in test scores and achievement is a function of poverty and cultures that don’t really care about academic achievement. That is not a eugenics argument.

A eugenics argument would be that African Americans don’t get good test scores because they are genetically dumber. That argument is monstrous.

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Anonymous wrote:No what I’m pointing out is that people say Walls has better test scores than Banneker. I’m saying you have to consider that in light of Banneker’s 3x higher, 69 percent Black population, a population that underperforms on tests independent of everything else. They are likely educating very well but test scores aren’t the best way to see that. That’s the whole point.

Eugenics has entered the discussion! Did you really just argue that black kids are worse at testing than white kids, all other factors being equal?

Lay off the performative concern. “Black” (note the quotes) students do test lower even when controlling for SES, etc. there are many reasons and they’re sociological not genetic. Signed, a black person who does test well.

Anonymous wrote:Okay, but that’s different from getting “into both.”

Anonymous wrote:How do you get “into both”? Do you mean getting into one then being called off the waitlist for another? That would be a very small number of kids, especially since Banneker doesn’t really use a waitlist.

More to the point, any “Rhee era” stats that may be out there are completely irrelevant to how people view these schools today.

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Anonymous wrote:Such an entertaining discussion to read, as the parent of a high-scoring Banneker student.

If you have a smart kid looking for a demanding high school education, Banneker is an excellent choice.

If you are looking for a school full of affluent white kids, Banneker is not it. But you didn’t need SAT data to tell you that.

+1, knowing multiple kids at both Walls and Banneker (would be thrilled if my own child got a spot either place, Banneker is much closer to where we live) the idea that Banneker kids are somehow inferior is laughable to me. Banneker is slightly larger and, yes, has a larger at risk population. No idea where the PP is getting SAT scores but I would assume that would account for the difference in scores. They are not directly equivalent populations. But the kids I know both places are all incredibly accomplished.