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Anonymous wrote:I no longer understand anything that is happening. I used to think I had figured some of it out and knew some of the whys and hows -even if I disagreed - I could still figure out motives and reasoning.

None of this makes sense to me.

This doesn’t make sense because our government has reached a severe point of dysfunction. If this was a parliamentary system they would be calling a new election right now. It’s really bad.

And Trump would be booted out.

OUR only option is impeachment.

And the puppets the Republicans put in office won’t do their jobs (of honoring the Constitution). They literally have not reported to work for 8 weeks—though they are collecting paychecks.

The Democrats stand ready to negotiate. The Republicans won’t even show up in DC.

What’s there to negotiate?

Pay attention.
Schumer just made an offer to the Republicans.

Thune called it a nonstarter. Johnson won’t even let his caucus come to work.

That is one side trying to negotiate and the other stonewalling.

The House passed a bill to reopen the government. The Republican majority in the Senate is likewise happy to reopen the government.

It is the Democrat minority in the Senate that is blocking funding to the entire government because they want to demand changes they don’t have the votes for. What they are doing is fundamentally undemocratic.

If the majorities of the House and Senate give in to this type of tactic will the minority party shut down the entire government every time they want something they don’t have the votes for?

It seems the Republicans also don't have the votes for what they want. Why is your position that democrats must capitulate and not Republicans? Or better yet, compromise? Why is it undemocratic for Democrats to vote in a way that reflects the citizens that voted them in?

Because Democrats are keeping the government closed for reasons unrelated to the FY26 budget process. The Republicans voted 13 times to keep the government open during Biden’s term. Democrats have an amazing capacity to conflate issues.

Fundamentally untrue. Had the Democrats played any part in the FY 26 budget process, there would be a very strong reason for them to support a CR. They would have prioritized keeping ACA it in some fashion. Instead, the Republicans pushed it through, with only Republican support, and they now reap what they’ve sown.

But the Senate Democrats could support the CR and still oppose the underlying FY26 bills. Thats how we know this is not about the appropriations process. It’s about Leader Schumers reelection process. Federal workers in MD and VA should be apoplectic with Kaine, Warner, Van Hollen, and Alsobrooks for putting us through this trauma. Reopen the government tomorrow. Then have a separate vote on ACA subsidies and let it win or lose on its own merits.

Make that make sense. Support the CR—which is the execution of the FY 26 Republican-only budget— and then “oppose FY 26”. This is opposing FY 26. If Republicans wanted their support, they had all the time in the world to get it.

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Anonymous wrote:I no longer understand anything that is happening. I used to think I had figured some of it out and knew some of the whys and hows -even if I disagreed - I could still figure out motives and reasoning.

None of this makes sense to me.

This doesn’t make sense because our government has reached a severe point of dysfunction. If this was a parliamentary system they would be calling a new election right now. It’s really bad.

And Trump would be booted out.

OUR only option is impeachment.

And the puppets the Republicans put in office won’t do their jobs (of honoring the Constitution). They literally have not reported to work for 8 weeks—though they are collecting paychecks.

The Democrats stand ready to negotiate. The Republicans won’t even show up in DC.

What’s there to negotiate?

Pay attention.
Schumer just made an offer to the Republicans.

Thune called it a nonstarter. Johnson won’t even let his caucus come to work.

That is one side trying to negotiate and the other stonewalling.

The House passed a bill to reopen the government. The Republican majority in the Senate is likewise happy to reopen the government.

It is the Democrat minority in the Senate that is blocking funding to the entire government because they want to demand changes they don’t have the votes for. What they are doing is fundamentally undemocratic.

If the majorities of the House and Senate give in to this type of tactic will the minority party shut down the entire government every time they want something they don’t have the votes for?

It seems the Republicans also don't have the votes for what they want. Why is your position that democrats must capitulate and not Republicans? Or better yet, compromise? Why is it undemocratic for Democrats to vote in a way that reflects the citizens that voted them in?

Because Democrats are keeping the government closed for reasons unrelated to the FY26 budget process. The Republicans voted 13 times to keep the government open during Biden’s term. Democrats have an amazing capacity to conflate issues.

Fundamentally untrue. Had the Democrats played any part in the FY 26 budget process, there would be a very strong reason for them to support a CR. They would have prioritized keeping ACA it in some fashion. Instead, the Republicans pushed it through, with only Republican support, and they now reap what they’ve sown.

But the Senate Democrats could support the CR and still oppose the underlying FY26 bills. Thats how we know this is not about the appropriations process. It’s about Leader Schumers reelection process. Federal workers in MD and VA should be apoplectic with Kaine, Warner, Van Hollen, and Alsobrooks for putting us through this trauma. Reopen the government tomorrow. Then have a separate vote on ACA subsidies and let it win or lose on its own merits.

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Anonymous wrote:I no longer understand anything that is happening. I used to think I had figured some of it out and knew some of the whys and hows -even if I disagreed - I could still figure out motives and reasoning.

None of this makes sense to me.

This doesn’t make sense because our government has reached a severe point of dysfunction. If this was a parliamentary system they would be calling a new election right now. It’s really bad.

And Trump would be booted out.

OUR only option is impeachment.

And the puppets the Republicans put in office won’t do their jobs (of honoring the Constitution). They literally have not reported to work for 8 weeks—though they are collecting paychecks.

The Democrats stand ready to negotiate. The Republicans won’t even show up in DC.

What’s there to negotiate?

Pay attention.
Schumer just made an offer to the Republicans.

Thune called it a nonstarter. Johnson won’t even let his caucus come to work.

That is one side trying to negotiate and the other stonewalling.

The House passed a bill to reopen the government. The Republican majority in the Senate is likewise happy to reopen the government.

It is the Democrat minority in the Senate that is blocking funding to the entire government because they want to demand changes they don’t have the votes for. What they are doing is fundamentally undemocratic.

If the majorities of the House and Senate give in to this type of tactic will the minority party shut down the entire government every time they want something they don’t have the votes for?

It seems the Republicans also don't have the votes for what they want. Why is your position that democrats must capitulate and not Republicans? Or better yet, compromise? Why is it undemocratic for Democrats to vote in a way that reflects the citizens that voted them in?

Because Democrats are keeping the government closed for reasons unrelated to the FY26 budget process. The Republicans voted 13 times to keep the government open during Biden’s term. Democrats have an amazing capacity to conflate issues.

Fundamentally untrue. Had the Democrats played any part in the FY 26 budget process, there would be a very strong reason for them to support a CR. They would have prioritized keeping ACA it in some fashion. Instead, the Republicans pushed it through, with only Republican support, and they now reap what they’ve sown.

But the Senate Democrats could support the CR and still oppose the underlying FY26 bills. Thats how we know this is not about the appropriations process. It’s about Leader Schumers reelection process. Federal workers in MD and VA should be apoplectic with Kaine, Warner, Van Hollen, and Alsobrooks for putting us through this trauma. Reopen the government tomorrow. Then have a separate vote on ACA subsidies and let it win or lose on its own merits.

Anonymous wrote:Because the money is gone. That’s why they made it easier for Trump to move money around. He stole it.

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Anonymous wrote:I no longer understand anything that is happening. I used to think I had figured some of it out and knew some of the whys and hows -even if I disagreed - I could still figure out motives and reasoning.

None of this makes sense to me.

This doesn’t make sense because our government has reached a severe point of dysfunction. If this was a parliamentary system they would be calling a new election right now. It’s really bad.

And Trump would be booted out.

OUR only option is impeachment.

And the puppets the Republicans put in office won’t do their jobs (of honoring the Constitution). They literally have not reported to work for 8 weeks—though they are collecting paychecks.

The Democrats stand ready to negotiate. The Republicans won’t even show up in DC.

What’s there to negotiate?

Pay attention.
Schumer just made an offer to the Republicans.

Thune called it a nonstarter. Johnson won’t even let his caucus come to work.

That is one side trying to negotiate and the other stonewalling.

The House passed a bill to reopen the government. The Republican majority in the Senate is likewise happy to reopen the government.

It is the Democrat minority in the Senate that is blocking funding to the entire government because they want to demand changes they don’t have the votes for. What they are doing is fundamentally undemocratic.

If the majorities of the House and Senate give in to this type of tactic will the minority party shut down the entire government every time they want something they don’t have the votes for?

It seems the Republicans also don't have the votes for what they want. Why is your position that democrats must capitulate and not Republicans? Or better yet, compromise? Why is it undemocratic for Democrats to vote in a way that reflects the citizens that voted them in?

Because Democrats are keeping the government closed for reasons unrelated to the FY26 budget process. The Republicans voted 13 times to keep the government open during Biden’s term. Democrats have an amazing capacity to conflate issues.

Fundamentally untrue. Had the Democrats played any part in the FY 26 budget process, there would be a very strong reason for them to support a CR. They would have prioritized keeping ACA it in some fashion. Instead, the Republicans pushed it through, with only Republican support, and they now reap what they’ve sown.

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Anonymous wrote:I no longer understand anything that is happening. I used to think I had figured some of it out and knew some of the whys and hows -even if I disagreed - I could still figure out motives and reasoning.

None of this makes sense to me.

This doesn’t make sense because our government has reached a severe point of dysfunction. If this was a parliamentary system they would be calling a new election right now. It’s really bad.

And Trump would be booted out.

OUR only option is impeachment.

And the puppets the Republicans put in office won’t do their jobs (of honoring the Constitution). They literally have not reported to work for 8 weeks—though they are collecting paychecks.

The Democrats stand ready to negotiate. The Republicans won’t even show up in DC.

What’s there to negotiate?

Pay attention.
Schumer just made an offer to the Republicans.

Thune called it a nonstarter. Johnson won’t even let his caucus come to work.

That is one side trying to negotiate and the other stonewalling.

The House passed a bill to reopen the government. The Republican majority in the Senate is likewise happy to reopen the government.

It is the Democrat minority in the Senate that is blocking funding to the entire government because they want to demand changes they don’t have the votes for. What they are doing is fundamentally undemocratic.

If the majorities of the House and Senate give in to this type of tactic will the minority party shut down the entire government every time they want something they don’t have the votes for?

It seems the Republicans also don't have the votes for what they want. Why is your position that democrats must capitulate and not Republicans? Or better yet, compromise? Why is it undemocratic for Democrats to vote in a way that reflects the citizens that voted them in?

Because Democrats are keeping the government closed for reasons unrelated to the FY26 budget process. The Republicans voted 13 times to keep the government open during Biden’s term. Democrats have an amazing capacity to conflate issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Technically they aren't blocking (other than the Senate blocking resolution of the shutdown)

The mechanics of funding SNAP mean that specific steps would have had to be taken to use contingency funds to have the money in the SNAP settlement accounts in time for the money to be disbursed. I believe that would have required the OMB to be involved, and that's Vought. Maybe there was one other way to do it. More to the point, the agencies would have had to take steps to prepare for this to happen if the shutdown dragged on. Instead they counted on being able to pressure the Democrats to fold. The messaging has become more distorted as time goes by.

Anyone see the Walmart Thanksgiving basket announcement from Trump? That it costs 25% less than last year? Except it 86'd a third of the items?

Nah, this is the administration that says they can use or not use funds provided by Congress for anything they want, regardless of what Congress directed them to use it for. If Trump ordered it paid it would be paid. Vought has no authority to countermand the president’s order. This is all a convenient ruse. SNAP benefits were paid in past shutdowns. They just want to hurt people. That’s what they really like.

Anonymous wrote:Technically they aren't blocking (other than the Senate blocking resolution of the shutdown)

The mechanics of funding SNAP mean that specific steps would have had to be taken to use contingency funds to have the money in the SNAP settlement accounts in time for the money to be disbursed. I believe that would have required the OMB to be involved, and that's Vought. Maybe there was one other way to do it. More to the point, the agencies would have had to take steps to prepare for this to happen if the shutdown dragged on. Instead they counted on being able to pressure the Democrats to fold. The messaging has become more distorted as time goes by.

Anyone see the Walmart Thanksgiving basket announcement from Trump? That it costs 25% less than last year? Except it 86'd a third of the items?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democrat. However I said on day 1 of the shutdown Schumer went into this against an administration that breaks the law and he probably had no plan for an off ramp. He is not going to get what he wants for all the pain it is causing. That's the sad truth. You can't win a staring contest against people who want to destroy the government. It's time to vote to open the government.

COURTS have orderd the administration to pay SNAP and they are refuseng to do it. It has nothing tp do with the shut down. SNAP benefits were never cut off in a shut down before. Until this one.

Where exactly should the $8 billion come from?

The general fund is up and running. Tax money is still rolling in.

There is not legislation that specifically sets aside money for SNAP. There is no legal reason to withhold the funds. Everything from this admin is lies.

That isn’t how it works.

Just because taxes are being collected doesn’t mean the money can be spent at the executive’s discretion.

The money must be appropriated by Congress.

Otherwise there is nothing to stop the executive from spending money on whatever they feel is a priority. (Something you likely wouldn’t end up supporting.)

There is over $40 billion currently available to fund SNAP.

Yeah, and Milei got it to keep him in power.

Millei is up there dancing with money stolen from SNAP recipients.

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Anonymous wrote:I no longer understand anything that is happening. I used to think I had figured some of it out and knew some of the whys and hows -even if I disagreed - I could still figure out motives and reasoning.

None of this makes sense to me.

This doesn’t make sense because our government has reached a severe point of dysfunction. If this was a parliamentary system they would be calling a new election right now. It’s really bad.

And Trump would be booted out.

OUR only option is impeachment.

And the puppets the Republicans put in office won’t do their jobs (of honoring the Constitution). They literally have not reported to work for 8 weeks—though they are collecting paychecks.

The Democrats stand ready to negotiate. The Republicans won’t even show up in DC.

What’s there to negotiate?

Pay attention.
Schumer just made an offer to the Republicans.

Thune called it a nonstarter. Johnson won’t even let his caucus come to work.

That is one side trying to negotiate and the other stonewalling.

The House passed a bill to reopen the government. The Republican majority in the Senate is likewise happy to reopen the government.

It is the Democrat minority in the Senate that is blocking funding to the entire government because they want to demand changes they don’t have the votes for. What they are doing is fundamentally undemocratic.

If the majorities of the House and Senate give in to this type of tactic will the minority party shut down the entire government every time they want something they don’t have the votes for?

It seems the Republicans also don't have the votes for what they want. Why is your position that democrats must capitulate and not Republicans? Or better yet, compromise? Why is it undemocratic for Democrats to vote in a way that reflects the citizens that voted them in?

Because Democrats are keeping the government closed for reasons unrelated to the FY26 budget process. The Republicans voted 13 times to keep the government open during Biden’s term. Democrats have an amazing capacity to conflate issues.

I'd argue the items they are negotiating for impact budget, so relevant.

Thanks for your acknowledgement that things ran smoothly under Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democrat. However I said on day 1 of the shutdown Schumer went into this against an administration that breaks the law and he probably had no plan for an off ramp. He is not going to get what he wants for all the pain it is causing. That's the sad truth. You can't win a staring contest against people who want to destroy the government. It's time to vote to open the government.

COURTS have orderd the administration to pay SNAP and they are refuseng to do it. It has nothing tp do with the shut down. SNAP benefits were never cut off in a shut down before. Until this one.

Where exactly should the $8 billion come from?

The general fund is up and running. Tax money is still rolling in.

There is not legislation that specifically sets aside money for SNAP. There is no legal reason to withhold the funds. Everything from this admin is lies.

That isn’t how it works.

Just because taxes are being collected doesn’t mean the money can be spent at the executive’s discretion.

The money must be appropriated by Congress.

Otherwise there is nothing to stop the executive from spending money on whatever they feel is a priority. (Something you likely wouldn’t end up supporting.)

There is over $40 billion currently available to fund SNAP.

Yeah, and Milei got it to keep him in power.

Millei is up there dancing with money stolen from SNAP recipients.

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Anonymous wrote:I no longer understand anything that is happening. I used to think I had figured some of it out and knew some of the whys and hows -even if I disagreed - I could still figure out motives and reasoning.

None of this makes sense to me.

This doesn’t make sense because our government has reached a severe point of dysfunction. If this was a parliamentary system they would be calling a new election right now. It’s really bad.

And Trump would be booted out.

OUR only option is impeachment.

And the puppets the Republicans put in office won’t do their jobs (of honoring the Constitution). They literally have not reported to work for 8 weeks—though they are collecting paychecks.

The Democrats stand ready to negotiate. The Republicans won’t even show up in DC.

What’s there to negotiate?

Pay attention.
Schumer just made an offer to the Republicans.

Thune called it a nonstarter. Johnson won’t even let his caucus come to work.

That is one side trying to negotiate and the other stonewalling.

The House passed a bill to reopen the government. The Republican majority in the Senate is likewise happy to reopen the government.

It is the Democrat minority in the Senate that is blocking funding to the entire government because they want to demand changes they don’t have the votes for. What they are doing is fundamentally undemocratic.

If the majorities of the House and Senate give in to this type of tactic will the minority party shut down the entire government every time they want something they don’t have the votes for?

It seems the Republicans also don't have the votes for what they want. Why is your position that democrats must capitulate and not Republicans? Or better yet, compromise? Why is it undemocratic for Democrats to vote in a way that reflects the citizens that voted them in?

Because Democrats are keeping the government closed for reasons unrelated to the FY26 budget process. The Republicans voted 13 times to keep the government open during Biden’s term. Democrats have an amazing capacity to conflate issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democrat. However I said on day 1 of the shutdown Schumer went into this against an administration that breaks the law and he probably had no plan for an off ramp. He is not going to get what he wants for all the pain it is causing. That's the sad truth. You can't win a staring contest against people who want to destroy the government. It's time to vote to open the government.

COURTS have orderd the administration to pay SNAP and they are refuseng to do it. It has nothing tp do with the shut down. SNAP benefits were never cut off in a shut down before. Until this one.

Where exactly should the $8 billion come from?

The general fund is up and running. Tax money is still rolling in.

There is not legislation that specifically sets aside money for SNAP. There is no legal reason to withhold the funds. Everything from this admin is lies.

That isn’t how it works.

Just because taxes are being collected doesn’t mean the money can be spent at the executive’s discretion.

The money must be appropriated by Congress.

Otherwise there is nothing to stop the executive from spending money on whatever they feel is a priority. (Something you likely wouldn’t end up supporting.)

There is over $40 billion currently available to fund SNAP.

Yeah, and Milei got it to keep him in power.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe you absolute morons are arguing about who “should” and “should not” receive SNAP while the billionaires are picking your pockets. Fools, all of you.

It’s because they run into the snap recipient on a regular basis.

The billionaire at best is a mythical creature that can give them money.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democrat. However I said on day 1 of the shutdown Schumer went into this against an administration that breaks the law and he probably had no plan for an off ramp. He is not going to get what he wants for all the pain it is causing. That's the sad truth. You can't win a staring contest against people who want to destroy the government. It's time to vote to open the government.

COURTS have orderd the administration to pay SNAP and they are refuseng to do it. It has nothing tp do with the shut down. SNAP benefits were never cut off in a shut down before. Until this one.

Where exactly should the $8 billion come from?

The general fund is up and running. Tax money is still rolling in.

There is not legislation that specifically sets aside money for SNAP. There is no legal reason to withhold the funds. Everything from this admin is lies.

That isn’t how it works.

Just because taxes are being collected doesn’t mean the money can be spent at the executive’s discretion.

The money must be appropriated by Congress.

Otherwise there is nothing to stop the executive from spending money on whatever they feel is a priority. (Something you likely wouldn’t end up supporting.)

There is over $40 billion currently available to fund SNAP.