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Anonymous wrote:Choose excellent public schools. Real talent thrives there — driven, grounded, and ready to build something meaningful. Who needs a luxury-branded, shallow education that breeds pretenders and shortcuts?

That is just a huge generalization. Look at excellent public schools. Look at excellent private schools. Figure out the best match for yourself as an individual. Certainly financially, if you are not high income, a high-level, need blind, private school that can offer very generous aid , can make a lot more economic sense than having to pay for a public school.

Nah... peers matter. Too much fraud coming from those _so called_ elite schools educated ones

Anonymous wrote:Choose excellent public schools. Real talent thrives there — driven, grounded, and ready to build something meaningful. Who needs a luxury-branded, shallow education that breeds pretenders and shortcuts?

That is just a huge generalization. Look at excellent public schools. Look at excellent private schools. Figure out the best match for yourself as an individual. Certainly financially, if you are not high income, a high-level, need blind, private school that can offer very generous aid , can make a lot more economic sense than having to pay for a public school.

Anonymous wrote:There was a kid admitted to Harvard from my kids high school last year. I googled her and I swear to god she had a LinkedIn profile better than some adults. Her parents had clearly been preparing her for years and years.

What is your point? Where do you want this kid to go? Maybe Harvard is a good match for this particular student. How would you know?

Choose excellent public schools. Real talent thrives there — driven, grounded, and ready to build something meaningful. Who needs a luxury-branded, shallow education that breeds pretenders and shortcuts?

There was a kid admitted to Harvard from my kids high school last year. I googled her and I swear to god she had a LinkedIn profile better than some adults. Her parents had clearly been preparing her for years and years.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, where do most of these so-called “elite” college graduates actually end up?
It raises serious questions. Are we truly more innovative? Has society meaningfully improved? After all these years of holistic admissions, what have we really gained? Why do we end up needing h1b engineers, researchers and doctors?

If you look at the most recent Nobel Prize winners in Physics and Chemistry, those who studied in the US went to SUNY Albany (transfer from CC), Berkeley and Univ of Washington for undergrad. It does not matter where you go for undergrad if you want to do research because you have to be curious and persistent. Master story tellers like Theranos land at Stanford.

What is your problem with SUNY Albany, Berkeley or the University of Washington? You can get an outstanding education at any of those. And I'm sure if you look you can find some graduate of all of those places that ended up a fraudster as well .

You can also get an outstanding education at Stanford.

Why are you taking these random stories and applying their outcomes to every single student that goes to these institutions.? That makes absolutely no sense and there's no good basis for doing that.

Anonymous wrote:Once again, where do most of these so-called “elite” college graduates actually end up?
It raises serious questions. Are we truly more innovative? Has society meaningfully improved? After all these years of holistic admissions, what have we really gained? Why do we end up needing h1b engineers, researchers and doctors?

If you look at the most recent Nobel Prize winners in Physics and Chemistry, those who studied in the US went to SUNY Albany (transfer from CC), Berkeley and Univ of Washington for undergrad. It does not matter where you go for undergrad if you want to do research because you have to be curious and persistent. Master story tellers like Theranos land at Stanford.

Anonymous wrote:I've only known 3 top 5 Intel winners in my life. (Yes, I know it's been renamed and restructured, but the ones I knew won Intel.)

One is now a STEM professor at Harvard. One quit science and went in a completely different direction. He's now a billionaire. The third is now the leader of a research lab at the Crick Institute at Oxford.

I very much doubt any of the 3 faked his Intel project.

So let me ask you this: the 3 winners never had help for their parents? They were naturals? Even Einstein went to college and got mentored. He even got math help from his friends and he credited them.

How many US Olympic bobsled winners are there? What if you introduced bobsledding in every high school in the US - do you think the there would be a different list of US Olympic bobsled medalists? The only difference is that you gave an opportunity to more people.

Anonymous wrote:Just thought of one thing.... even the teachers are using AI to generate the teaching materials now....

I've tried. Teaching materials came out pretty lame. Couldn't use them. I put a lot more effort into them until they were finally useful. If you are happy with the first AI output, you probably have no idea what you are doing. Not to mention that AI is dumb as a rock in niche areas - using the output would be quite embarrassing, especially when you lack the critical thinking to spot mistakes.

Anonymous wrote:You know, we came across a college consultant who got friends’ kids into Ivies. He was trying to push me to buy a research project for science fairs that someone else would create and train DC enough to contribute to it some and to be able to interview about it. I was shocked and appalled and rejected him.

But know I’m beginning to think it’s common and when he was trying to convince me it’s a rigged game he was right.

Out of curiosity, how much does a "project" like this cost?

Anonymous wrote:I've only known 3 top 5 Intel winners in my life. (Yes, I know it's been renamed and restructured, but the ones I knew won Intel.)

One is now a STEM professor at Harvard. One quit science and went in a completely different direction. He's now a billionaire. The third is now the leader of a research lab at the Crick Institute at Oxford.

I very much doubt any of the 3 faked his Intel project.

I know one that was a professor at MIT. The Debbie Downer poster on here is so full of BS.

There are many universities that offer a very strong education in science, research and many other disciplines. And if you want to skip it and become an entrepreneur, go right ahead. Different strokes for different folks.

I've only known 3 top 5 Intel winners in my life. (Yes, I know it's been renamed and restructured, but the ones I knew won Intel.)

One is now a STEM professor at Harvard. One quit science and went in a completely different direction. He's now a billionaire. The third is now the leader of a research lab at the Crick Institute at Oxford.

I very much doubt any of the 3 faked his Intel project.

Just thought of one thing.... even the teachers are using AI to generate the teaching materials now....

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, where do most of these so-called “elite” college graduates actually end up?
It raises serious questions. Are we truly more innovative? Has society meaningfully improved? After all these years of holistic admissions, what have we really gained? Why do we end up needing h1b engineers, researchers and doctors?

Have your kids skip college if you think that's the best path for them. No one is stopping you from teaching them not to go to college and you think it's a waste of time.

Yeah. Lot of smarter and creative kids go straight to start their own companies. Why waste 4 years and paying a fortune only to be in a less intelligent environments.... College kids don't even bother to go to classes now...they get nothing out of it

Anonymous wrote:Don't go to colleges full of cheaters.

Okay, don't go to colleges full of cheaters.