I think people are confused by what is geography and what is a state of mind. Arguing that schools in North Carolina and Virginia aren't in the South because they don't "feel" southern is very la di dah. Brown feels like a West Coast school to me. But that doesn't make it a West Coast school.

I'll say about the South - they generally have much better public universities than the rest of the country - UVA, UNC, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Georgia Tech are all outstanding schools. Plus privates like Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Emory, Johns Hopkins, and Georgetown. And I think the South is a pretty lively region for college these days.

I'm a foreigner in the US. I have no geographic loyalty. But take away the old Ivy League schools, and there's comparatively little that's interesting in the Northeast these days. And even the Ivy schools are a little tired today. Besides MIT, I think the rest of the country is much more interesting for college.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m from the Deep South and my kid looked at William and Mary. It didn’t feel so southern to us. We got a more mid-Atlantic suburban vibe from it. It’s all relative I guess.

We can all pick up on different vibes when we visit schools; but for purposes of OP's list, it's a southern school.

There is a difference between being “southern” and being in the south region of the US census.

Most people use cultural attributes to define “southern”, not just how the government rallies up the population. e.g. no one considers Delaware to be “southern”.

OP even makes reference to the civil war “south” which makes the census grouping even less relevant.

William and Mary is more Southern than Emory and Miami culturally if not geographically.

Anonymous wrote:I’m from the Deep South and my kid looked at William and Mary. It didn’t feel so southern to us. We got a more mid-Atlantic suburban vibe from it. It’s all relative I guess.

We can all pick up on different vibes when we visit schools; but for purposes of OP's list, it's a southern school.

I’m from the Deep South and my kid looked at William and Mary. It didn’t feel so southern to us. We got a more mid-Atlantic suburban vibe from it. It’s all relative I guess.

Anonymous wrote:For all the chest thumping about UT Knoxville, Alabama, Clemson, U South Carolina, and Indiana, etc. it is pretty crazy to see them get outranked by 5 piddly Boston schools. And if you look at just the DMV and its outer areas, we have Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, William and Mary and even Penn. So the real south is a big laggard in academic quality.

About 70% of William & Mary's students are from the south. Its location is in the south. It's a southern school.

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Anonymous wrote:According to US Census region designation:

Northeast: 16 universities:
Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins, UPenn, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, NYU, Tufts, BU, Northeastern, Rutgers

South: 17 universities
Duke, Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, UNC, UVA, Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgia Tech, Rice, UT Austin, Florida, UMD, Georgia [William & Mary, Texas A&M, FSU, Wake Forest are all tied at 51 and are technically #51]

Midwest: 6 universities
UChicago, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, WashU, Illinois

West: 10 universities
Stanford, CalTech, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UCI, UCSB, UCSD, UC Davis, Washington


The south is the future of academia in America.

LOL. No. And while "south" on a map, I would not count JHU, Gtown, UVA, UD, W&M as "southern" schools. If you're saying they are, you've obv never been to a true southern school.

I wouldn’t consider Duke a southern school either. It's a great school that geographically is in the south but in no way is it a "southern school."

Did you watch White Lotus?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to US Census region designation:

Northeast: 16 universities:
Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins, UPenn, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, NYU, Tufts, BU, Northeastern, Rutgers

South: 17 universities
Duke, Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, UNC, UVA, Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgia Tech, Rice, UT Austin, Florida, UMD, Georgia [William & Mary, Texas A&M, FSU, Wake Forest are all tied at 51 and are technically #51]

Midwest: 6 universities
UChicago, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, WashU, Illinois

West: 10 universities
Stanford, CalTech, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UCI, UCSB, UCSD, UC Davis, Washington


The south is the future of academia in America.

LOL. No. And while "south" on a map, I would not count JHU, Gtown, UVA, UD, W&M as "southern" schools. If you're saying they are, you've obv never been to a true southern school.

I wouldn’t consider Duke a southern school either. It's a great school that geographically is in the south but in no way is it a "southern school."

It's amazing how hard some of you are teying to pretend certain schools aren't southern. Yes, like it or not, Duke and Emory are southern universities.

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Anonymous wrote:According to US Census region designation:

Northeast: 16 universities:
Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins, UPenn, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, NYU, Tufts, BU, Northeastern, Rutgers

South: 17 universities
Duke, Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, UNC, UVA, Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgia Tech, Rice, UT Austin, Florida, UMD, Georgia [William & Mary, Texas A&M, FSU, Wake Forest are all tied at 51 and are technically #51]

Midwest: 6 universities
UChicago, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, WashU, Illinois

West: 10 universities
Stanford, CalTech, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UCI, UCSB, UCSD, UC Davis, Washington


The south is the future of academia in America.

LOL. No. And while "south" on a map, I would not count JHU, Gtown, UVA, UD, W&M as "southern" schools. If you're saying they are, you've obv never been to a true southern school.

I wouldn’t consider Duke a southern school either. It's a great school that geographically is in the south but in no way is it a "southern school."

Anonymous wrote:For all the chest thumping about UT Knoxville, Alabama, Clemson, U South Carolina, and Indiana, etc. it is pretty crazy to see them get outranked by 5 piddly Boston schools. And if you look at just the DMV and its outer areas, we have Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, William and Mary and even Penn. So the real south is a big laggard in academic quality.

You're trying mighty hard...that's okay...

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Anonymous wrote:The United States Census Bureau defines the Southern United States as Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Washington D.C., Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.

Larla in Maine: Mom, I’m tired of the cold, I only want southern schools!

Mom: No problem, U Del would be perfect!

The main office for the US Census Bureau is located in Suitland, MD. Guess those federal workers aren't very smart and don't know the location of their home office.

Some people who live on the islands near Argentina think they live in the UK. Some believe otherwise.

One would think federal workers for the U.S. census bureau are smarter than "some people who live on the islands near Argentina."

Anonymous wrote:According to US Census region designation:

Northeast: 16 universities:
Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins, UPenn, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, NYU, Tufts, BU, Northeastern, Rutgers

South: 17 universities
Duke, Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, UNC, UVA, Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgia Tech, Rice, UT Austin, Florida, UMD, Georgia [William & Mary, Texas A&M, FSU, Wake Forest are all tied at 51 and are technically #51]

Midwest: 6 universities
UChicago, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, WashU, Illinois

West: 10 universities
Stanford, CalTech, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UCI, UCSB, UCSD, UC Davis, Washington


The south is the future of academia in America.

Only when you include Maryland and DC in the south

For all the chest thumping about UT Knoxville, Alabama, Clemson, U South Carolina, and Indiana, etc. it is pretty crazy to see them get outranked by 5 piddly Boston schools. And if you look at just the DMV and its outer areas, we have Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, William and Mary and even Penn. So the real south is a big laggard in academic quality.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The United States Census Bureau defines the Southern United States as Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Washington D.C., Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.

Larla in Maine: Mom, I’m tired of the cold, I only want southern schools!

Mom: No problem, U Del would be perfect!

The main office for the US Census Bureau is located in Suitland, MD. Guess those federal workers aren't very smart and don't know the location of their home office.

Some people who live on the islands near Argentina think they live in the UK. Some believe otherwise.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The United States Census Bureau defines the Southern United States as Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Washington D.C., Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.

Larla in Maine: Mom, I’m tired of the cold, I only want southern schools!

Mom: No problem, U Del would be perfect!

The main office for the US Census Bureau is located in Suitland, MD. Guess those federal workers aren't very smart and don't know the location of their home office.