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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see some weight given to student satisfaction after graduation. This is an important metric that most here simply brush aside….

Not sure the data for this exists. US News would have to either do an expensive large scale survey or find some group that surveys grads (is there one?).

This is one of the issues. DS graduated from a not to be named ivy this year. His student satisfaction rating would have been a 20/100. Simply pretending this shouldn’t be included in the rankings only gives more power to universities to reduce the focus on student satisfaction.

This is really a direct measure of teaching quality. They reflect how students actually experience teaching, feedback, and academic support, areas that league tables can’t capture from research metrics or entry standards alone. High satisfaction often correlates with better student–staff interaction, effective assessment methods, and supportive academic culture. Satisfied students are more likely to engage fully, persist through challenges, and achieve higher grades and employability outcomes.
Many rankings lean heavily on research power. Student surveys rebalance the picture toward undergraduate experience, which matters more for most applicants.

This is an anonymous thread. Name the Ivy.

who cares. every ivy and college has some unhappy students

True, but when 35% of students aren’t happy vs 10%, this is a statistically significant difference that is meaningful to a prospective student, regardless of the pedigree of the university.

ok and how are you going to get that from a single data point on here?

Anonymous wrote:No change for the LACs

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown:
all tests required. No superscore. Discourages superscore-reliant applications.
All tests required, so no TO applications.
Has own application and not on common app (that is changing). Discourages applications.

If TO and common app, would have 2x the apps.

Now there is no ED. Two rounds of ED and 70% of class filled ED cuts admit rate in half.

So if Georgetown were like Chicago, it would have 2x the apps (cutting admit rate in half) and it would be cut in half again with ED rounds.

In other words, its normalized admit rate is close to 1/4 of 12%.

You’re welcome!

georgetown is also full of preunemployment majors. I dont see a doubling of apps. People want stem to make money in this economy not to go DC with all the cuts happening

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see some weight given to student satisfaction after graduation. This is an important metric that most here simply brush aside….

Not sure the data for this exists. US News would have to either do an expensive large scale survey or find some group that surveys grads (is there one?).

This is one of the issues. DS graduated from a not to be named ivy this year. His student satisfaction rating would have been a 20/100. Simply pretending this shouldn’t be included in the rankings only gives more power to universities to reduce the focus on student satisfaction.

This is really a direct measure of teaching quality. They reflect how students actually experience teaching, feedback, and academic support, areas that league tables can’t capture from research metrics or entry standards alone. High satisfaction often correlates with better student–staff interaction, effective assessment methods, and supportive academic culture. Satisfied students are more likely to engage fully, persist through challenges, and achieve higher grades and employability outcomes.
Many rankings lean heavily on research power. Student surveys rebalance the picture toward undergraduate experience, which matters more for most applicants.

This is an anonymous thread. Name the Ivy.

who cares. every ivy and college has some unhappy students

True, but when 35% of students aren’t happy vs 10%, this is a statistically significant difference that is meaningful to a prospective student, regardless of the pedigree of the university.

Anonymous wrote:I would assume Cornell based on the clues in the post - that would make the most sense

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see some weight given to student satisfaction after graduation. This is an important metric that most here simply brush aside….

Not sure the data for this exists. US News would have to either do an expensive large scale survey or find some group that surveys grads (is there one?).

This is one of the issues. DS graduated from a not to be named ivy this year. His student satisfaction rating would have been a 20/100. Simply pretending this shouldn’t be included in the rankings only gives more power to universities to reduce the focus on student satisfaction.

This is really a direct measure of teaching quality. They reflect how students actually experience teaching, feedback, and academic support, areas that league tables can’t capture from research metrics or entry standards alone. High satisfaction often correlates with better student–staff interaction, effective assessment methods, and supportive academic culture. Satisfied students are more likely to engage fully, persist through challenges, and achieve higher grades and employability outcomes.
Many rankings lean heavily on research power. Student surveys rebalance the picture toward undergraduate experience, which matters more for most applicants.

This is an anonymous thread. Name the Ivy.

who cares. every ivy and college has some unhappy students

True, but when 35% of students aren’t happy vs 10%, this is a statistically significant difference that is meaningful to a prospective student, regardless of the pedigree of the university.

Anonymous wrote:It's like the week before Christmas for helicopter parents, prestige chasers, and assorted Karens. The new USNWR rankings drop on the 23rd, so post your predictions here. Who's rising, who's falling, who's gaming the system? Let's see what your top 50 looks like for national unis and LACs. Don't bother responding with crap like "get a life" or "who cares." By virtue of even lurking on this forum, we already know you're counting down the days, Karen!

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see some weight given to student satisfaction after graduation. This is an important metric that most here simply brush aside….

Not sure the data for this exists. US News would have to either do an expensive large scale survey or find some group that surveys grads (is there one?).

This is one of the issues. DS graduated from a not to be named ivy this year. His student satisfaction rating would have been a 20/100. Simply pretending this shouldn’t be included in the rankings only gives more power to universities to reduce the focus on student satisfaction.

This is really a direct measure of teaching quality. They reflect how students actually experience teaching, feedback, and academic support, areas that league tables can’t capture from research metrics or entry standards alone. High satisfaction often correlates with better student–staff interaction, effective assessment methods, and supportive academic culture. Satisfied students are more likely to engage fully, persist through challenges, and achieve higher grades and employability outcomes.
Many rankings lean heavily on research power. Student surveys rebalance the picture toward undergraduate experience, which matters more for most applicants.

This is an anonymous thread. Name the Ivy.

who cares. every ivy and college has some unhappy students

Anonymous wrote:USNWR will finally recognize that Baltimore is, indeed, a giant $hithole a kick Johns Hopkins out of the Top 20.

Likewise, USNWR will recognize that U Chicago is broke and surrounded by violent neighborhoods which would put mid-aughts Baghdad to shame. Also kicked out of the top 20.

USNWR will recognize that Big 10 schools are cold, woke and terrible, and that everyone wants to go to SEC schools now. Georgia, Florida, and Auburn will all crack the top 30. Bama to top 50.

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Anonymous wrote:T25 ranking:

1 – 5 HYPMS
6 – 10 Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, UPenn
11- 14 Brown, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Cornell
15 – 16 Columbia, UChicago
17 – 18 Rice, Notre Dame
19 – 22 UCLA, Berkeley, WUSTL, Carnegie Mellon
23 – 25 Emory, Georgetown, UMich

Shouldn't Georgetown be higher? Otherwise sounds about right.

19-25 isn't right. USNWR will continue to have ties like they did this year. I think Emory is out of 25 and WUSTL is too high.

Emory is fine and so is WashU. The school thats most precarious is Georgetown. The t25 with the lowest endowment.

But Georgetown is one of the schools that shows how off USNews is. A tougher admit than 1/2 the schools on this list, and super prestigious for what it does. Once it adopts the common app, its acceptance rate will be well into the single digits — without ED. At a certain point you have to listen to kids (who are very prestige-conscious) and how they are voting with their feet.

georgetown is exactly where they belong. us news is not a selectivity rank but quality of programs. georgetown has no science or engineering programs and is lacking in top programs in general save for sfs which is losing relevance. mcdonough business is very meh.

even if it were selectivity based, what schools above is it actually more selectivity than? most already have single digit acceptance rates

US News is off, is the point.
As for selectivity, you are simply ignorant. Georgetown has no ED and is not on the common app. ED brings down admissions rates; ED2 brings them way down. The better question, for you, is — once normalized — which non-HYPS schools in the top 25 are actually more selective than Georgetown? Certainly not Chicago, for instance…
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you are grasping for straws here. chicago even before these ed games was more selective than georgetown. most of the privates could go EA and still be as selective. If the schools really wanted to game the system, they could just take more off waitlists vs ED which they dont do

Chicago takes 70% of class ED.
Georgetown could likely double its apps simply by adopting the common app.
Math is not your friend, but keep drinking Kool-Aid and, by all means, hold onto your straw.

Georgetown sucks at stem and this shows. Show me where chicago takes 70% ED since they dont release ed stats you clown

They might even take 75-80%. Why would they release, with gullible people like you thinking it is a tough ED admit?

Chicago takes more like 90% ED