Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:20
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.
Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.
Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.
Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.
Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).
+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.
These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.
Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.
Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.
Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools
In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.
Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.
Because it uses a slightly different methodology and is only two years old. Hardly disingenuous. Sorry it doesn't show you what you want to see.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:20
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?
Here's some data for top consulting firms: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/from-college-to-consulting/
Top feeders to consulting industry (college: consulting rate per 1,000 grads):
Williams: 11.43
Middlebury: 8.66
Lehigh: 5.79
Amherst: 4.79
Bucknell: 2.52
Colgate: Not ranked
Pomona has a higher rate of consultants than Williams? That's really surprising and not talked about on this forum. I thought Pomona students were more like Swarthmore and academic?!
Very similar rates. CMC is tops when it comes to SLACs.
I didn't say they weren't. It's surprising Pomona and Williams even have comparable rates.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:19
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?
Here's some data for top consulting firms: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/from-college-to-consulting/
Top feeders to consulting industry (college: consulting rate per 1,000 grads):
Williams: 11.43
Middlebury: 8.66
Lehigh: 5.79
Amherst: 4.79
Bucknell: 2.52
Colgate: Not ranked
Pomona has a higher rate of consultants than Williams? That's really surprising and not talked about on this forum. I thought Pomona students were more like Swarthmore and academic?!
Very similar rates. CMC is tops when it comes to SLACs.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:18
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.
Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.
Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.
Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.
Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).
+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.
These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.
Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.
Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.
Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools
In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.
Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:17
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.
Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.
Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.
Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.
Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).
+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.
These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.
Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.
Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.
Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools
In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:13
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?
Here's some data for top consulting firms: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/from-college-to-consulting/
Top feeders to consulting industry (college: consulting rate per 1,000 grads):
Williams: 11.43
Middlebury: 8.66
Lehigh: 5.79
Amherst: 4.79
Bucknell: 2.52
Colgate: Not ranked
Pomona has a higher rate of consultants than Williams? That's really surprising and not talked about on this forum. I thought Pomona students were more like Swarthmore and academic?!
Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:11
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?
Here's some data for top consulting firms: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/from-college-to-consulting/
Top feeders to consulting industry (college: consulting rate per 1,000 grads):
Williams: 11.43
Middlebury: 8.66
Lehigh: 5.79
Amherst: 4.79
Bucknell: 2.52
Colgate: Not ranked
Anonymous
09/08/2025 17:01
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
People never address that a lot of kids have no interest in IB. It's possible to get into IB without going to the known feeders, and a top LAC won't set you back if you're ambitious. For most kids, getting a lax consulting gig is a much better fit than the IB culture.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 16:56
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?
Patriot league kids can get big 4 advisory, that’s probably the glass ceiling for those kids - but if you want the golden ticket to IB/MBB, head south young man! to W&L..
Anonymous
09/08/2025 16:49
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
CMC (2) and Swat have the KKR founders as alumni. CMC does well in PE, which is typically a better place to be than just "Wall Street."
Anonymous
09/08/2025 16:48
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?
You don't need to be an athlete to land consulting-it's pretty easy, but IB is gonna be an uphill battle without athlete+connections at Williams especially.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 16:43
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?
Anonymous
09/08/2025 16:08
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.
Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.
Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.
Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.
Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).
+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.
These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.
Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.
Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 15:55
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.
Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.
Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.
Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.
Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).
+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.
These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.
Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.
Anonymous
09/08/2025 15:38
Subject: Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?
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+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.
These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.
Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.
Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.
Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.
Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).
+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.
These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.