Once, when I was a kid, I got caught doing something and I claimed that it was the first time I'd ever tried it, what bad luck, to get caught the only time you ever did the bad thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Everyone can think of a couple exceptions, but 95% of the time it’s true. The parents can provide the best support. In reading the statements of the girls who were taken for the abortion by the Fcps teacher, it sounds like they do have supportive families.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Are you joking? Have you even read this thread, starting on page 1??
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Any time an abortion happens, it is a good thing. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Wow. A new low for DCUM

You did not answer the question. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Obama's mother was 19.

Yes, and her life would have been way better if she could have disentangled herself from his weirdo father.

I assume you are joking, but in any case, who cares?

It does not sound like a case of abuse to me.

“According to the report, two female students, both minors at the time, allege that school officials, including social worker Carolina Diaz, arranged abortions at Fairfax Healthcare Center without parental consent. One student, a 17-year-old 11th-grade student, claims Diaz scheduled her appointment, paid the clinic's fees, and instructed her to keep the procedure secret. The abortion allegedly took place in November 2021.

A second student, five months pregnant, says Diaz told her that she "had no choice" but to proceed with an abortion. That student fled the clinic, unwilling to go through with the procedure, and later confided in her teacher, Zenaida Perz, who provided Curt with an audio recording of the family confirming that the school never informed them of the intent to terminate their daughter's pregnancy.

Under Virginia state law, a physician is required to certify in writing that at least one parent has been notified before performing an abortion on a minor, unless a judicial bypass is obtained. “

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

You sound incredibly naive that you can't fathom the home life a lot of kids deal with.

But why automatically assume they have an abusive honestly life? And if abuse was suspected, why wasn’t it reported?

Sadly, since the uncle was the guardian, this may be even more troubling than we know. An unaccompanied minor?

If abuse was suspected, it should have been reported by the teacher. I hope the investigation is thorough and unbiased.

You don't know that it wasn't as that information isn't public.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

You sound incredibly naive that you can't fathom the home life a lot of kids deal with.

But why automatically assume they have an abusive honestly life? And if abuse was suspected, why wasn’t it reported?

Sadly, since the uncle was the guardian, this may be even more troubling than we know. An unaccompanied minor?

If abuse was suspected, it should have been reported by the teacher. I hope the investigation is thorough and unbiased.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

You sound incredibly naive that you can't fathom the home life a lot of kids deal with.

But why automatically assume they have an abusive honestly life? And if abuse was suspected, why wasn’t it reported?

Sadly, since the uncle was the guardian, this may be even more troubling than we know. An unaccompanied minor?

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

You sound incredibly naive that you can't fathom the home life a lot of kids deal with.

But why automatically assume they have an abusive honestly life? And if abuse was suspected, why wasn’t it reported?

Maybe that's why they're running an investigation and instead of grabbing pitchforks you should be patient? In situations like this schools and teachers cannot easily make public responses due to privacy laws and concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

You sound incredibly naive that you can't fathom the home life a lot of kids deal with.

Who gets to decide if the home life is adequate?

When the school decides they know best about your child, I’m sure youlll change your tune.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

You sound incredibly naive that you can't fathom the home life a lot of kids deal with.

But why automatically assume they have an abusive honestly life? And if abuse was suspected, why wasn’t it reported?

Anonymous wrote:I had a D&C after a miscarriage. It went smoothly, but there was recovery needed. And, it was less than two months into the pregnancy.

A family member also had an early miscarriage and was given a pill to expel the "leftovers." It was awful. She said if she ever had another miscarriage, she would go with the D&C.

Blessedly, we both had successful pregnancies after our miscarriages.

I cannot imagine a 17 year old going through this alone without care. And, I suspect the pregnancy was no where near as early as mine was.

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As someone who has also been there, I needed more emotional support after the D&C than the day of. Thank god I had my family to get me through it.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

You sound incredibly naive that you can't fathom the home life a lot of kids deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?