Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Did someone say it wasn’t?

It’s a total joke if someone considered water depth and thought 2.5 feet is just fine. I’m not an NVSL parent but just reading this thread it is shocking to me how many parents are so indignant and acting like diving into 2.5 feet of water is NBD. It’s not a personal affront to anyone. I would defy you to find anything supporting the idea of recreational swimmers diving into 2.5 feet of water as a safe practice. My kid swims year round, so yes they could do it, but whether kids can do it and whether they should be doing it are 2 different things. I have a hard time comprehending that this league that everyone in this area touts as one of the nation’s top summer swim leagues does this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Did someone say it wasn’t?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Also, thank you Pinecrest for all your hard work. I’m sorry this thread got hijacked with a bunch of negativity.

🙄 it is not being negative. It is trying to prevent a possible irreversible, life changing, catastrophic event from happening when there is knowledge that it could. I’m sure thousands of kids have safely done what these kids have done…and despite the fact that it was a nonissue for everyone else, it didn’t work for these kids.


17 yr old broken spine diving in at 5 feet: https://youtu.be/u91lZlvS6x0

Paralyzed: https://youtu.be/3SOXbrQMS7I or https://www.ladbible.com/news/sport/ed-jackson-mountain-within-me-never-walk-again-580796-20240821

https://people.com/human-interest/teen-boy-paralyzed-after-diving-shallow-pool/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/i-dove-into-a-pool-at-a-party-and-woke-up-quadriplegic/

By posting about it on an anonymous Internet forum? Also, if you want to have a serious conversation, post serious articles. Lad Bible? Are you serious right now? This is like the UK equivalent of TMZ.

PP is correct that studies have looked at the dangers of diving into shallow pool depths, but PP left out that the studies don't consider whether the persons involve shallow, low-angle entry dives which swimmers do. And as others points, the articles posted there include people diving head first into depts of around 4-5 ft. This just feels like outrage for the sake of outrage.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Also, thank you Pinecrest for all your hard work. I’m sorry this thread got hijacked with a bunch of negativity.

🙄 it is not being negative. It is trying to prevent a possible irreversible, life changing, catastrophic event from happening when there is knowledge that it could. I’m sure thousands of kids have safely done what these kids have done…and despite the fact that it was a nonissue for everyone else, it didn’t work for these kids.


17 yr old broken spine diving in at 5 feet: https://youtu.be/u91lZlvS6x0

Paralyzed: https://youtu.be/3SOXbrQMS7I or https://www.ladbible.com/news/sport/ed-jackson-mountain-within-me-never-walk-again-580796-20240821

https://people.com/human-interest/teen-boy-paralyzed-after-diving-shallow-pool/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/i-dove-into-a-pool-at-a-party-and-woke-up-quadriplegic/

By posting about it on an anonymous Internet forum? Also, if you want to have a serious conversation, post serious articles. Lad Bible? Are you serious right now? This is like the UK equivalent of TMZ.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Also, thank you Pinecrest for all your hard work. I’m sorry this thread got hijacked with a bunch of negativity.

🙄 it is not being negative. It is trying to prevent a possible irreversible, life changing, catastrophic event from happening when there is knowledge that it could. I’m sure thousands of kids have safely done what these kids have done…and despite the fact that it was a nonissue for everyone else, it didn’t work for these kids.


17 yr old broken spine diving in at 5 feet: https://youtu.be/u91lZlvS6x0

Paralyzed: https://youtu.be/3SOXbrQMS7I or https://www.ladbible.com/news/sport/ed-jackson-mountain-within-me-never-walk-again-580796-20240821

https://people.com/human-interest/teen-boy-paralyzed-after-diving-shallow-pool/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/i-dove-into-a-pool-at-a-party-and-woke-up-quadriplegic/

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else think there more DQs than typical for an IAS meet this year?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Is Pinecrest not hosting next year? PP mentioned NVSL asking them to do it on a longer term basis.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Also, thank you Pinecrest for all your hard work. I’m sorry this thread got hijacked with a bunch of negativity.

A few of these people dove straight down in 4 and 5 ft water. They were not doing swimming starts or even trying to do a shallow dive. They were literally going head first straight down.

By this argument 4-5 ft is not safe and there are no pools in NVS that are safe for meets.



🙄 it is not being negative. It is trying to prevent a possible irreversible, life changing, catastrophic event from happening when there is knowledge that it could. I’m sure thousands of kids have safely done what these kids have done…and despite the fact that it was a nonissue for everyone else, it didn’t work for these kids.


17 yr old broken spine diving in at 5 feet: https://youtu.be/u91lZlvS6x0

Paralyzed: https://youtu.be/3SOXbrQMS7I or https://www.ladbible.com/news/sport/ed-jackson-mountain-within-me-never-walk-again-580796-20240821

https://people.com/human-interest/teen-boy-paralyzed-after-diving-shallow-pool/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/i-dove-into-a-pool-at-a-party-and-woke-up-quadriplegic/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Also, thank you Pinecrest for all your hard work. I’m sorry this thread got hijacked with a bunch of negativity.

🙄 it is not being negative. It is trying to prevent a possible irreversible, life changing, catastrophic event from happening when there is knowledge that it could. I’m sure thousands of kids have safely done what these kids have done…and despite the fact that it was a nonissue for everyone else, it didn’t work for these kids.


17 yr old broken spine diving in at 5 feet: https://youtu.be/u91lZlvS6x0

Paralyzed: https://youtu.be/3SOXbrQMS7I or https://www.ladbible.com/news/sport/ed-jackson-mountain-within-me-never-walk-again-580796-20240821

https://people.com/human-interest/teen-boy-paralyzed-after-diving-shallow-pool/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/i-dove-into-a-pool-at-a-party-and-woke-up-quadriplegic/

So what? From these articles, it's very likely these people were going head first. There's diving and then there's diving in terms of a racing dive which is a very low angle dive, made even lower by the fact there are no blocks to go. from.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Also, thank you Pinecrest for all your hard work. I’m sorry this thread got hijacked with a bunch of negativity.

🙄 it is not being negative. It is trying to prevent a possible irreversible, life changing, catastrophic event from happening when there is knowledge that it could. I’m sure thousands of kids have safely done what these kids have done…and despite the fact that it was a nonissue for everyone else, it didn’t work for these kids.


17 yr old broken spine diving in at 5 feet: https://youtu.be/u91lZlvS6x0

Paralyzed: https://youtu.be/3SOXbrQMS7I or https://www.ladbible.com/news/sport/ed-jackson-mountain-within-me-never-walk-again-580796-20240821

https://people.com/human-interest/teen-boy-paralyzed-after-diving-shallow-pool/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/i-dove-into-a-pool-at-a-party-and-woke-up-quadriplegic/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.

Also, thank you Pinecrest for all your hard work. I’m sorry this thread got hijacked with a bunch of negativity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This got hashed and rehashed last summer.

NVSL should have a list of agreed upon criteria a pool must meet to host the league wide meets. Evaluate all the pools in the league and identify which ones are suitable. Incentivize those pools to host somehow (entry fees, other ideas?). If none step up, don't have the meet.

The histrionics about well if you don't like it your pool should do it are a waste of time.

They do. And Pinecrest was evaluated against all that criteria before they were given the go-ahead to host.

Water depth was not part of the criteria to be evaluated for a swim meet not using in-water starts? That’s laughable and quite frankly kind of illustrates why summer league should not be taken as seriously as people in NVSL take it.

Again, take it up with the NVSL. Complaining about it on an anonymous forum in a thread about a meet that already past and a pool that is not hosting next year is pointless.