Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 21:01     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.

Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.


why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning

And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?

Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 21:00     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.

Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.

Math departments are just a lot more hostile in general. Math pedagogy sucks, meanwhile many computer scientists have worked hard to make the difficult information more accessible.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 18:08     Subject: CS is dead
What is taught CS in school is very basic? Out in industry, you need to certificate in Oracle, UNIX,microsoft, network, etc... Technology is constantly changing... It is better to major in something and minor in CS. Employer expect you already know programming. Pure programming jobs are offshore.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 18:02     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.

Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.


why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning

And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 17:51     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.

Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.


Agree, but they’re a rare breed because of self selection. Math departments may be bad at career planning, but they’re even worse at manufacturing math talent.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 17:41     Subject: CS is dead
If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.

Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 17:37     Subject: CS is dead

Having a computer science degree is hardly the same as taking a single course or a coding camp.

True - everyone can code.. plug in your code in chatgpt and it fixes all the syntax - you just need to basic CS. Core coding is mostly off-shore. It is cheaper.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 17:33     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:You can't just be CS now. Everyone knows how to code or say they can code. All engineering students take to CS class. Young kids go to coding camp in the summer. Core CS programmer are off-shores (Indian). Unless you are in a specific area like Finance and minor CS or Biomedical and minor CS, it will be hard to get a job. US CS graduate most likely do quality assurance and project manager on off-shore programming staffs. Have only CS degree is not the way to go.

Having a computer science degree is hardly the same as taking a single course or a coding camp.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 16:59     Subject: CS is dead
You can't just be CS now. Everyone knows how to code or say they can code. All engineering students take to CS class. Young kids go to coding camp in the summer. Core CS programmer are off-shores (Indian). Unless you are in a specific area like Finance and minor CS or Biomedical and minor CS, it will be hard to get a job. US CS graduate most likely do quality assurance and project manager on off-shore programming staffs. Have only CS degree is not the way to go.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2025 16:12     Subject: CS is dead
Vibe Coding Fiasco: AI Agent Goes Rogue, Deletes Company's Entire Database

https://www.pcmag.com/news/vibe-coding-fiasco-replite-ai-agent-goes-rogue-deletes-company-database

This is so funny I'm having a hard time believing it. Maybe it's not true...but it fits with the stories of blackmailing AI.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 21:51     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:CS graduates who took the rigorous electives are faring much better in the job market.

There is still a shortage of C/UNIX software engineers who can work on an embedded/real-time system, to give one example.


I'm one and we are not respected by any of the brats who only know: Google, StackOverflow, and now AI. We are painstakingly careful - think 100times before doing something risky. These brats just copy/paste and walk around acting arrogant. Sure why not trust these brats with: controlling your car brakes. AI will help them get there 99% of the way. Too bad the 1% is what you pay an skilled experienced developer for.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 21:18     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:CS graduates who took the rigorous electives are faring much better in the job market.

There is still a shortage of C/UNIX software engineers who can work on an embedded/real-time system, to give one example.


that sounds almost exactly what DS's advisor said planning (mechE) courses, take the hardest ones it helps for jobs as well as top grad schools
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 20:21     Subject: CS is dead
CS graduates who took the rigorous electives are faring much better in the job market.

There is still a shortage of C/UNIX software engineers who can work on an embedded/real-time system, to give one example.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 14:29     Subject: CS is dead
The fallacy of this thread is that CS majors will be more negatively impacted than other majors. All majors/professions will be impacted by AI in different ways. Many of them negative.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 11:44     Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Not dead but oversaturated with qualified graduates as well as laid off CS employees.

Best bet is to be self employed or start your own business leveraging AI. That is the future for smart people as corporate culture def no longer gives a f%$# about employees vs profits.


Then you become that employer.