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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

No offense to your kid but these stats extremely unlikely for admission to Michigan oos.

I'm not the poster you are responding to here, but LOL at your statement. These stats are absolutely good enough for admission to Michigan.

And I disagree. In any case, not the stats of the Ivy Caliber applicants who are unlikely to apply ED.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

No, you're reading way too much into my comment. I'm just saying that it's incorrect that you have to be in the top 20% of top DC independents to get into Michigan. They all get kids in that are at the 50th. Which is a good thing! The kids are well prepared and do great at Michigan and other top schools.

I think of UofM oos kids as smart but not Ivy/elite level. They value the large school, sports, Greek, rah rah experience. I think they get kids very excited about it like those that apply to ND minus the religion. My guess is it’ll be these kids that don’t really have a shot at others anyway and those for which it’s a reach and hoping it helps.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

No offense to your kid but these stats extremely unlikely for admission to Michigan oos.

I'm not the poster you are responding to here, but LOL at your statement. These stats are absolutely good enough for admission to Michigan.

The truth is NO ONE KNOWS if they're good enough! My kid was valedictorian of her large NY public with a 1530 and awesome ECs, is a double legacy, and got into Michigan, but others with similar stats did not. It is a very tough admit OOS these days.

And this is why some top kids will ED there.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

No offense to your kid but these stats extremely unlikely for admission to Michigan oos.

I'm not the poster you are responding to here, but LOL at your statement. These stats are absolutely good enough for admission to Michigan.

The truth is NO ONE KNOWS if they're good enough! My kid was valedictorian of her large NY public with a 1530 and awesome ECs, is a double legacy, and got into Michigan, but others with similar stats did not. It is a very tough admit OOS these days.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

No offense to your kid but these stats extremely unlikely for admission to Michigan oos.

I'm not the poster you are responding to here, but LOL at your statement. These stats are absolutely good enough for admission to Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Michigander who knows the “quality” of in state kids, this is one of the grossest UB threads in a long time.

It’s done to NC kids too, the only public that doesn’t have inferior in-state kids is UVA. 🙄

Yes, done to the California ones, too, especially the ones that transfer to UCs from community college

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Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Our private is top in our city and does very well with the T20 and definitely doesn’t get kids outside the top 30 percent into Michigan. Perhaps they really like Sidwell. But if coming from a public school or even a lower ranked private, going to have to be significantly higher in the class. That’s the reality of current college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Anonymous wrote:Do we really believe the new ED is aimed at instate kids? My guess it's for the purpose of getting early commits from OOS kids at the high OOS tuition. I just think it's going to be a harder sell for OOS kids to commit early to a state school at such a high tuition without waiting for other offers. We shall see.

In-state alum PP and I'm delighted that my kid will be able to communicate his 1st choice without putting a bunch of platitudes into his "Why Michigan" essay. Can you imagine how trite those reasons are for in-staters?

He will likely be applying to Engineering and there are no guarantees.

We are not Michigan natives and are conscious that the University of Michigan is the most nationally-known school here. It's also a great fit for what our family expects from a college education (which has nothing to do with football or frats). The closest equivalents in DMV would be UMD, VA, VT but there's no need to go so far and pay more.

If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

No offense to your kid but these stats extremely unlikely for admission to Michigan oos.

LOL okay

Is this your oldest? Perhaps ED will come with easier admission, but unless you are at a top private, top 20 percent of class isn’t high enough.