Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 10:05     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:Very very few things in life happen in absolutes. Black and white is something invented by humans who can't manage complexity. Likely this flood tragedy is a result of many things that went wrong beyond just the camp was built in a bad location or Trump is to blame for FEMA and NOAA cuts contributing to the lack of warnings. It's always a combo of human error and fateful events - the worst that could go wrong did - that causes many tragedies in life.

Keep this in mind as it applies to not just this but almost all human undertakings and situations. There's very rarely one evil or saint but someone with a propensity of doing bad and wrong or right and good things but nobody is the saint nor the devil.


Blah blah blah. Well then let's not bother to take any preventative measures at all! F early warning systems and emergency management. We'll all just sit around in the mud and discuss philosophy.

FFS what is wrong with you?
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 10:02     Subject: Re:TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:its survival of the fittest/smartest/most prepared


Then why are people voting for the fattest/most stupid/least prepared?
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 09:41     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see a system where camps couldn't get permits unless they demonstrate an effective communication/evacuation system


This is already in place.
clearly it wasn't effective... perhaps on paper but not in real life or death


+1
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 09:31     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see a system where camps couldn't get permits unless they demonstrate an effective communication/evacuation system


This is already in place.
clearly it wasn't effective... perhaps on paper but not in real life or death
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 09:23     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see a system where camps couldn't get permits unless they demonstrate an effective communication/evacuation system


This is already in place.


If it was in place we wouldn’t have had this catastrophe. Please stop gaslighting.


Gaslighting? I am not sure what you mean. I know for a fact the camps are required to have these systems in place. Also, one can have all the plans and permits in the world but that is no guarantee with the unpredictability of mother nature and water especially in today's climate.


Some of the camps were prepared and evacuated. Others clearly were not prepared and did not evacuate. CLEARLY not. So stop trying to assert there was no human failure.


I’m not the PP but there’s plenty of human failure to go around: the Mystic camp who had its youngest campers so close to a river that regularly flash floods, the Kerr County citizens who didn’t want to pay the $1 million for an flood warning system, and the Texas pols who voted for 51$bn in property tax cuts rather than approve the grant that Kerr county asked for to pay for the early warning system.

Dumb pols and cheap Texans who rather pay 100$ for a cure rather than 1$ for prevention.


+1 And always wearing a cowboy hat while they vote down safety measures and a warning system. Now expecting billions in aid.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 00:11     Subject: Re:TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it is dumb to build on flood zones, fire zones, fault lines, anywhere that will make a structure crumble. Even dumber not to have emergency systems in place.


The folks in Texas thought they were blessed and couldn't imagine God doesn't truly favor them. Wanna bet that to them, having a system in place signaled a lack of faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ.


Cite?


I know there people personally..They think they are "blessed" and no natural disasters will ever happen to them.

They also don't "believe" in climate change.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 19:29     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see a system where camps couldn't get permits unless they demonstrate an effective communication/evacuation system


This is already in place.


If it was in place we wouldn’t have had this catastrophe. Please stop gaslighting.


Gaslighting? I am not sure what you mean. I know for a fact the camps are required to have these systems in place. Also, one can have all the plans and permits in the world but that is no guarantee with the unpredictability of mother nature and water especially in today's climate.


Some of the camps were prepared and evacuated. Others clearly were not prepared and did not evacuate. CLEARLY not. So stop trying to assert there was no human failure.


I’m not the PP but there’s plenty of human failure to go around: the Mystic camp who had its youngest campers so close to a river that regularly flash floods, the Kerr County citizens who didn’t want to pay the $1 million for an flood warning system, and the Texas pols who voted for 51$bn in property tax cuts rather than approve the grant that Kerr county asked for to pay for the early warning system.

Dumb pols and cheap Texans who rather pay 100$ for a cure rather than 1$ for prevention.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 18:34     Subject: Re:TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it is dumb to build on flood zones, fire zones, fault lines, anywhere that will make a structure crumble. Even dumber not to have emergency systems in place.


The folks in Texas thought they were blessed and couldn't imagine God doesn't truly favor them. Wanna bet that to them, having a system in place signaled a lack of faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ.


Cite?
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 18:27     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see a system where camps couldn't get permits unless they demonstrate an effective communication/evacuation system


This is already in place.


Where? Certainly not in Texas. People like to talk about how it’s more efficient to have strong local governments but sometimes the people local governments elect are not very competent.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 18:23     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Very very few things in life happen in absolutes. Black and white is something invented by humans who can't manage complexity. Likely this flood tragedy is a result of many things that went wrong beyond just the camp was built in a bad location or Trump is to blame for FEMA and NOAA cuts contributing to the lack of warnings. It's always a combo of human error and fateful events - the worst that could go wrong did - that causes many tragedies in life.

Keep this in mind as it applies to not just this but almost all human undertakings and situations. There's very rarely one evil or saint but someone with a propensity of doing bad and wrong or right and good things but nobody is the saint nor the devil.


We're damaging our important climate systems and we're completely screwing over our children and future generations.


Short term financial gain for a handful of fossil fuel elites in exchange for long term pain for the remainder of humanity. That is exactly what we are dealing with here.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 18:09     Subject: Re:TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:


Yep.

And Republican Americans better start making better decisions and exercising some personal responsibility in where they are living and vacationing. Because their fellow Republicans apparently don't plan to help.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 18:03     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:Very very few things in life happen in absolutes. Black and white is something invented by humans who can't manage complexity. Likely this flood tragedy is a result of many things that went wrong beyond just the camp was built in a bad location or Trump is to blame for FEMA and NOAA cuts contributing to the lack of warnings. It's always a combo of human error and fateful events - the worst that could go wrong did - that causes many tragedies in life.

Keep this in mind as it applies to not just this but almost all human undertakings and situations. There's very rarely one evil or saint but someone with a propensity of doing bad and wrong or right and good things but nobody is the saint nor the devil.


We're damaging our important climate systems and we're completely screwing over our children and future generations.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 17:50     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Very very few things in life happen in absolutes. Black and white is something invented by humans who can't manage complexity. Likely this flood tragedy is a result of many things that went wrong beyond just the camp was built in a bad location or Trump is to blame for FEMA and NOAA cuts contributing to the lack of warnings. It's always a combo of human error and fateful events - the worst that could go wrong did - that causes many tragedies in life.

Keep this in mind as it applies to not just this but almost all human undertakings and situations. There's very rarely one evil or saint but someone with a propensity of doing bad and wrong or right and good things but nobody is the saint nor the devil.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 16:46     Subject: Re:TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:


We live in a truly shitty Republican timeline.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2025 16:45     Subject: TX flood and climate change
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see a system where camps couldn't get permits unless they demonstrate an effective communication/evacuation system


This is already in place.


If it was in place we wouldn’t have had this catastrophe. Please stop gaslighting.


Gaslighting? I am not sure what you mean. I know for a fact the camps are required to have these systems in place. Also, one can have all the plans and permits in the world but that is no guarantee with the unpredictability of mother nature and water especially in today's climate.


Some of the camps were prepared and evacuated. Others clearly were not prepared and did not evacuate. CLEARLY not. So stop trying to assert there was no human failure.