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Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.

This. I don’t care about saving on taxes. We are plenty comfortable and don’t need it.

But my heart breaks for those who are losing supports they need for their families.

Then give the money you save on taxes to worthy charities. If you and all your liberal fellow travelers do the same, then the poor will still be well supported.

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The virtue signaling is ridiculous.

So, rich liberals are kind to donate to charities but MAGA just want the rich to be able to get the tax cuts?

Try to keep up, dear.

I’d rather have more of my money and give to the causes I want to give; you can do the same. I’d rather not have the government take it and continue the waste and fraud.

Thanks President Trump!

A civilized society does not function by people choosing to be charitable or not.

This bill is a huge tax break for the rich, while the lower/middle class get crumbs, and the disabled get punished.

How charitable of you.

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Anonymous wrote:Healthcare is not a human right, if I go to someone like a doctor to help me with something I expect to pay them for their services. Why is that so hard for people to understand.

Well it should be a human right, and we should get rid of the for profit system we have and follow all the other civilized nations in this world. It may not be perfect, but it's 1000x better for most people.

It actually helps all of us. We want healthy productive working people. If a dad gets sick and can no longer work, his whole family now needs support. The mom may be able to work either because Dad needs care. Now teen is dropping out of school to earn money for the family. If Dad had access to good healthcare the whole issue might have been a small one rather than life altering.

MAGA get a little tingle of glee reading about scenarios like this because they don't care. They only care about themselves and are pretty disgusting people to take joy in others' pain.

Or they think this sort of help for the needy/suffering is to be done on an individual level so that the individual can go to heaven.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Your anecdote isn’t the norm, despite your rationalization. At all. Kids the same age. Please read in major news outlets about college grads not getting jobs, their unemployment rate is significantly higher. Know adults looking for a year. Shut it!

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Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.

This. I don’t care about saving on taxes. We are plenty comfortable and don’t need it.

But my heart breaks for those who are losing supports they need for their families.

Then give the money you save on taxes to worthy charities. If you and all your liberal fellow travelers do the same, then the poor will still be well supported.

+1

The virtue signaling is ridiculous.

So, rich liberals are kind to donate to charities but MAGA just want the rich to be able to get the tax cuts?

Try to keep up, dear.

I’d rather have more of my money and give to the causes I want to give; you can do the same. I’d rather not have the government take it and continue the waste and fraud.

Thanks President Trump!

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

It’s hilarious that you think you’re child and somebody on Medicaid is going to be treated the same way by a hiring official.

Did his mommy drive him to his interview

Mommy has been a SAHM all her life so doesn’t understand the working world at all. Cut her a break.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

So, are you seriously proposing that if someone has a heart attack they should just lie down and die if they can't afford heath insurance?

If they are seriously injured in a car accident, when the hospital learns they don't have insurance they should be dumped in the street, still bleeding and broken?

Is that really the world you want to live in?

Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

So, are you seriously proposing that if someone has a heart attack they should just lie down and die if they can't afford heath insurance?

If they are seriously injured in a car accident, when the hospital learns they don't have insurance they should be dumped in the street, still bleeding and broken?

Is that really the world you want to live in?

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Anonymous wrote:For those saying they’re gonna get a tax cut are you aware that you had a tax increase under Trump‘s tax plan from his first administration?

So in reality, you’re not really getting tax cuts getting back to where we were pre-Trump almost.

You’re still paying more under Trump than you are pre-Trump.

That may be true for you, but not for everyone. We got a cut the first time around, and will get another this time.

What is your income and I will let you know if you did. People say they did then when I show them the tax brackets, they didn't.

the withholding brackets are different than the tax brackets.

I am perfectly capable of determining my tax liability, thank you very much. I don't need the help of some internet rando, particularly one with such questionable grammatical skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.

Read the bill. Children with disabilities, which this situation above falls under, aren’t losing coverage under this bill.

The state they live in MAY choose to reduce their coverage in the future - and states have ALWAYS had the right to adjust how they administer Medicaid, which includes tightening restrictions or removing groups entirely.

It seems like most of the US - and this thread - wasn’t aware of that until this bill came up.

In my state (PA) Medicaid pays for care for disabled children, and the governor has been clear that it will be cut. A cap is a cut.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.

This is a sad story, but the child will not lose Medicaid. The hysterics don’t help your argument. Also the mom should have a job assuming the six year old is in some sort of school and assistance is being provided by the state. Not really sure what the issue is here.

Good god the ignorance.

How is it ignorant? I’m genuinely interested.

If my child were critically ill, someone in the family would be expected to still work. We wouldn’t quit our jobs and sign up for Medicaid.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.

This is a sad story, but the child will not lose Medicaid. The hysterics don’t help your argument. Also the mom should have a job assuming the six year old is in some sort of school and assistance is being provided by the state. Not really sure what the issue is here.