Anonymous wrote:Mitch Daniels - the old guy who stated in his open letter to Purdue that there needs to be more well-off college educated men so women would "marry up" and produce more babies. Yeah.

Clearly he was in the wrong for pointing out that men are falling behind in higher education and it will cause knock on issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious what names are being floated as a successor. I’ve heard Cucinelli but he is a politician, not an educator. Are there other names?

I don’t think him not being an educator would be an impediment.

So you’d support a CEO that had never worked for a corporation if your stocks depended on it?

Running a large university is similar to being a CEO. Many academics do, unfortunately, not have that type of experience. Mitch Daniels was not an academic before he became president of Purdue.

Yet most successful college presidents had a career in higher education before becoming a college president. Kind of like most successful principals were first teachers and those that were not are normally resented by teachers.

The significant majority of them are academics. But the entirety of academe has issues with controlling cost. Academis are ill equipped or inclined to deal with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Of course many minority/low income students can get into UVA with stellar grades, even better grades than Kyle from
NOVA. However, other amazing low income / minority students might “only” have a 1390 SAT, despite English being their second language, while riding the bus to and from work every day after school, being their parents’ interpreter, not knowing if they will have food the next day, having moved over five times in their childhood, babysitting their siblings, trying to study in loud apartments, and having to dodge being recruited by gangs. So, yeah, I think that 1390 SAT is outstanding, and well deserving of a UVA admission letter.

Not having taken it multiple times, not affording quality prep classes since middle school, not having someone else take it, not having the resources to know how to prep for it, not having tutors, not having copies of previous tests, not having parents who can volunteer at the school and understand which teachers to avoid but yeah merit ….

Yep, and let’s stop with the idea that diversity is only about ethnic minorities. People like JD Vance, with his scholarship to Yale are beneficiaries of DEI as well. It’s not just about what’s being done to admissions, it’s about the ending of scholarships, it’s about the dismantling of campus support groups, the scrubbing of words from websites. When you went to college, were you outraged or feeling left out if you saw a women’s group or lgbtq support group or heard about a dinner event for members of the chinese club? I certainly wasn’t. Plus, I knew I could join in if I really felt the need (which I didn’t.) These support groups always welcome allies.

All of this dismantling is ridiculously mean. Just mean.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Of course many minority/low income students can get into UVA with stellar grades, even better grades than Kyle from
NOVA. However, other amazing low income / minority students might “only” have a 1390 SAT, despite English being their second language, while riding the bus to and from work every day after school, being their parents’ interpreter, not knowing if they will have food the next day, having moved over five times in their childhood, babysitting their siblings, trying to study in loud apartments, and having to dodge being recruited by gangs. So, yeah, I think that 1390 SAT is outstanding, and well deserving of a UVA admission letter.

DP. What you're describing would be considered first-gen. What does the color of anyone's skin have to do with their life circumstances? Visited Appalachia recently?

Which is a huge portion of DEI.

The biggest beneficiaries of the DEI program at Michigan that RWNJs love to baselessly attack? Poor, white kids from rural areas.

Same at OSU and OU.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Of course many minority/low income students can get into UVA with stellar grades, even better grades than Kyle from
NOVA. However, other amazing low income / minority students might “only” have a 1390 SAT, despite English being their second language, while riding the bus to and from work every day after school, being their parents’ interpreter, not knowing if they will have food the next day, having moved over five times in their childhood, babysitting their siblings, trying to study in loud apartments, and having to dodge being recruited by gangs. So, yeah, I think that 1390 SAT is outstanding, and well deserving of a UVA admission letter.

+1. No one has yet to define what Merit actually means.

Yes, merit has been defined as laundered privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Of course many minority/low income students can get into UVA with stellar grades, even better grades than Kyle from
NOVA. However, other amazing low income / minority students might “only” have a 1390 SAT, despite English being their second language, while riding the bus to and from work every day after school, being their parents’ interpreter, not knowing if they will have food the next day, having moved over five times in their childhood, babysitting their siblings, trying to study in loud apartments, and having to dodge being recruited by gangs. So, yeah, I think that 1390 SAT is outstanding, and well deserving of a UVA admission letter.

Not having taken it multiple times, not affording quality prep classes since middle school, not having someone else take it, not having the resources to know how to prep for it, not having tutors, not having copies of previous tests, not having parents who can volunteer at the school and understand which teachers to avoid but yeah merit ….

Students are not having other people take their SAT. Come on.

Did you miss that detail from Varsity Blues?

Mitch Daniels - the old guy who stated in his open letter to Purdue that there needs to be more well-off college educated men so women would "marry up" and produce more babies. Yeah.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious what names are being floated as a successor. I’ve heard Cucinelli but he is a politician, not an educator. Are there other names?

I don’t think him not being an educator would be an impediment.

So you’d support a CEO that had never worked for a corporation if your stocks depended on it?

Running a large university is similar to being a CEO. Many academics do, unfortunately, not have that type of experience. Mitch Daniels was not an academic before he became president of Purdue.

A Mitch Daniels type would probably be good. There just aren't may of them.

The guy who trashed public education and women’s rights in Indiana?

F no.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Of course many minority/low income students can get into UVA with stellar grades, even better grades than Kyle from
NOVA. However, other amazing low income / minority students might “only” have a 1390 SAT, despite English being their second language, while riding the bus to and from work every day after school, being their parents’ interpreter, not knowing if they will have food the next day, having moved over five times in their childhood, babysitting their siblings, trying to study in loud apartments, and having to dodge being recruited by gangs. So, yeah, I think that 1390 SAT is outstanding, and well deserving of a UVA admission letter.

+1. No one has yet to define what Merit actually means.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Of course many minority/low income students can get into UVA with stellar grades, even better grades than Kyle from
NOVA. However, other amazing low income / minority students might “only” have a 1390 SAT, despite English being their second language, while riding the bus to and from work every day after school, being their parents’ interpreter, not knowing if they will have food the next day, having moved over five times in their childhood, babysitting their siblings, trying to study in loud apartments, and having to dodge being recruited by gangs. So, yeah, I think that 1390 SAT is outstanding, and well deserving of a UVA admission letter.

Not having taken it multiple times, not affording quality prep classes since middle school, not having someone else take it, not having the resources to know how to prep for it, not having tutors, not having copies of previous tests, not having parents who can volunteer at the school and understand which teachers to avoid but yeah merit ….

Students are not having other people take their SAT. Come on.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Of course many minority/low income students can get into UVA with stellar grades, even better grades than Kyle from
NOVA. However, other amazing low income / minority students might “only” have a 1390 SAT, despite English being their second language, while riding the bus to and from work every day after school, being their parents’ interpreter, not knowing if they will have food the next day, having moved over five times in their childhood, babysitting their siblings, trying to study in loud apartments, and having to dodge being recruited by gangs. So, yeah, I think that 1390 SAT is outstanding, and well deserving of a UVA admission letter.

Not having taken it multiple times, not affording quality prep classes since middle school, not having someone else take it, not having the resources to know how to prep for it, not having tutors, not having copies of previous tests, not having parents who can volunteer at the school and understand which teachers to avoid but yeah merit ….

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious what names are being floated as a successor. I’ve heard Cucinelli but he is a politician, not an educator. Are there other names?

I don’t think him not being an educator would be an impediment.

So you’d support a CEO that had never worked for a corporation if your stocks depended on it?

Running a large university is similar to being a CEO. Many academics do, unfortunately, not have that type of experience. Mitch Daniels was not an academic before he became president of Purdue.

Yet most successful college presidents had a career in higher education before becoming a college president. Kind of like most successful principals were first teachers and those that were not are normally resented by teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious what names are being floated as a successor. I’ve heard Cucinelli but he is a politician, not an educator. Are there other names?

I don’t think him not being an educator would be an impediment.

So you’d support a CEO that had never worked for a corporation if your stocks depended on it?

Running a large university is similar to being a CEO. Many academics do, unfortunately, not have that type of experience. Mitch Daniels was not an academic before he became president of Purdue.

A Mitch Daniels type would probably be good. There just aren't may of them.

^many of them

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious what names are being floated as a successor. I’ve heard Cucinelli but he is a politician, not an educator. Are there other names?

I don’t think him not being an educator would be an impediment.

So you’d support a CEO that had never worked for a corporation if your stocks depended on it?

Running a large university is similar to being a CEO. Many academics do, unfortunately, not have that type of experience. Mitch Daniels was not an academic before he became president of Purdue.

A Mitch Daniels type would probably be good. There just aren't may of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been following the story. Whether you agree or not was UVA going against federal mandate to disable DEI? If they were trying to go around then this is not good. You don’t get to decide what laws you want to follow
based on your feelings. If they were complying then he should not step down. I am not sure what the answer was? He seemed well liked and it is a good school. Surely he would understand that he cannot create admissions based on his personal feelings? Is there something more here?

Not according to the Orange Guy.

Not law, Executive Order. They are not the same.

If a DEI policy is discriminatory it should be banned based on that specific legal basis. DEI is a broad term and means different things to different people and is implemented differently. An executive order does not create a law. Only congress can create laws.