Anonymous
07/14/2025 21:35
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The entity that prosecutes anti-semitism on campuses is...the department of education.
Oh, well.
That failure alone is reason to burn it all down.
Gee. I thought it was the Department of Justice that did the prosecuting.
Anonymous
07/14/2025 21:33
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:The entity that prosecutes anti-semitism on campuses is...the department of education.
Oh, well.
That failure alone is reason to burn it all down.
Anonymous
07/14/2025 21:32
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel they should run the executive branch regardless of election results.
The executive does not have the ability to rewrite laws with executive orders.
Anonymous
07/14/2025 21:32
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another Trump failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-bid-dismantle-152410785.html
Another Trump win.
Three Cheers for President Trump!!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!!
TRUMP! TRUMP!! HOORAY!!!
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Yes! We can finally cultivate a large, uneducated slave class to work in mines and factories! And even if OSHA is still alive, they won’t be able to read the safety rules and regs!
Three cheers!!
Hysterical much?
Dept of Education has always provided little value.
Not if you’re in a dirt poor state at the bottom of the rankings. Do Louisiana and Mississippi have the same school taxes as NJ, Maryland and Massachusetts? Good northeastern school districts will survive this. Places without a base of high warning property owners are screwed, unless the wealthy in their state want to pony up money to educate the poor.
Mississipi has drastically improved their reading scores by following the science of reading philosophy several years ago while the Dept of Education has been promoting balanced literacy for years and years up until the past year.
According to the Nations Report Card https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&chort=1&sub=RED&sj=&st=MN&year=2024R3 in reading for 4th grade on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) the average score for 4th grade reading was 214. Mississippi's 4th graders were tied for 7th at 219. Maryland was at 216.
Highest scores:
Massachusetts 225
Wyoming 222
New Jersey 222
New Hampshire 221
Colorado 221
Indiana 220
Utah 219
Connecticut 219
Mississippi 219
Florida 218
Kentucky 218
Lowest scores:
Arkansas 210
Maine 210
Delaware 210
District of Columbia 209
Michigan 209
Arizona 208
Oklahoma 207
Oregon 207
West Virginia 206
Alaska 202
New Mexico 201
In Math for 4th graders the average score was 237. Mississippi's score (239) was higher than Maryland's score (234). Maryland was below the average.
So then it looks like we should all welcome lower school taxes. Is Mississippi just proving we’re all spending too much in wealthier states?
Higher taxes do not guarantee better education; see DCPS and Baltimore City Schools for proof.
Anonymous
07/14/2025 20:48
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another Trump failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-bid-dismantle-152410785.html
Another Trump win.
Three Cheers for President Trump!!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!!
TRUMP! TRUMP!! HOORAY!!!
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Yes! We can finally cultivate a large, uneducated slave class to work in mines and factories! And even if OSHA is still alive, they won’t be able to read the safety rules and regs!
Three cheers!!
Hysterical much?
Dept of Education has always provided little value.
Test scores certainly plummeted since the Dept of Education was instituted.
Those lower scores are partly due to the fact that we now try to educate, evaluate, and support all children. Ma y of them used to remain at home, lived in institutions, dropped out of school, or were not tested for academic progress
+1
+2
A large contingent unable/incapable of going to school wasn’t there to bring down the average. And many were just yanked out of school to work. My grandmother used to say in her family, doing homework was a privilege. The ones left were most likely from homes that supported education and expected degrees out of their kids.
+1 exactly right
Anonymous
07/14/2025 20:05
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, no more student loan payments?
Nope. It's not irreparable harm, while the case percolated through the system. I guess.
There will be federal loans but amount borrowed will be limited. Private lenders will get more business. Based on this article, they may approach the loan the way mortgage lenders do — assess the program (property), value of the program, decide if the degree has value:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/12/your-money/student-loan-limits.html
Problem is, would Trump and cronies encourage lenders to favor certain schools simply for political reasons. Bob Jones and Liberty= yes
Harvard and Columbia=no
The newly launched Trump University=yes!!!!
So far, Congress is proceeding with their appropriations bills as normal. They are ignoring the president's budget requests for major cuts to departments and agencies, instead keeping funding generally flat. I don't know that they've gotten to Education yet but so far, that's what they've been doing.
The Supreme Court is behind here and not paying attention to what's happening in real time..
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:57
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another Trump failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-bid-dismantle-152410785.html
Another Trump win.
Three Cheers for President Trump!!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!!
TRUMP! TRUMP!! HOORAY!!!
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Yes! We can finally cultivate a large, uneducated slave class to work in mines and factories! And even if OSHA is still alive, they won’t be able to read the safety rules and regs!
Three cheers!!
Hysterical much?
Dept of Education has always provided little value.
Test scores certainly plummeted since the Dept of Education was instituted.
Those lower scores are partly due to the fact that we now try to educate, evaluate, and support all children. Ma y of them used to remain at home, lived in institutions, dropped out of school, or were not tested for academic progress
+1
+2
A large contingent unable/incapable of going to school wasn’t there to bring down the average. And many were just yanked out of school to work. My grandmother used to say in her family, doing homework was a privilege. The ones left were most likely from homes that supported education and expected degrees out of their kids.
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:54
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, no more student loan payments?
Nope. It's not irreparable harm, while the case percolated through the system. I guess.
There will be federal loans but amount borrowed will be limited. Private lenders will get more business. Based on this article, they may approach the loan the way mortgage lenders do — assess the program (property), value of the program, decide if the degree has value:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/12/your-money/student-loan-limits.html
Problem is, would Trump and cronies encourage lenders to favor certain schools simply for political reasons. Bob Jones and Liberty= yes
Harvard and Columbia=no
The newly launched Trump University=yes!!!!
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:40
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:So, no more student loan payments?
Nope. It's not irreparable harm, while the case percolated through the system. I guess.
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:32
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another Trump failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-bid-dismantle-152410785.html
Another Trump win.
Three Cheers for President Trump!!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!!
TRUMP! TRUMP!! HOORAY!!!
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Yes! We can finally cultivate a large, uneducated slave class to work in mines and factories! And even if OSHA is still alive, they won’t be able to read the safety rules and regs!
Three cheers!!
Hysterical much?
Dept of Education has always provided little value.
Test scores certainly plummeted since the Dept of Education was instituted.
Those lower scores are partly due to the fact that we now try to educate, evaluate, and support all children. Ma y of them used to remain at home, lived in institutions, dropped out of school, or were not tested for academic progress
+1
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:12
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another Trump failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-bid-dismantle-152410785.html
Another Trump win.
Three Cheers for President Trump!!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!!
TRUMP! TRUMP!! HOORAY!!!
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Yes! We can finally cultivate a large, uneducated slave class to work in mines and factories! And even if OSHA is still alive, they won’t be able to read the safety rules and regs!
Three cheers!!
Hysterical much?
Dept of Education has always provided little value.
Not if you’re in a dirt poor state at the bottom of the rankings. Do Louisiana and Mississippi have the same school taxes as NJ, Maryland and Massachusetts? Good northeastern school districts will survive this. Places without a base of high warning property owners are screwed, unless the wealthy in their state want to pony up money to educate the poor.
Mississipi has drastically improved their reading scores by following the science of reading philosophy several years ago while the Dept of Education has been promoting balanced literacy for years and years up until the past year.
According to the Nations Report Card https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&chort=1&sub=RED&sj=&st=MN&year=2024R3 in reading for 4th grade on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) the average score for 4th grade reading was 214. Mississippi's 4th graders were tied for 7th at 219. Maryland was at 216.
Highest scores:
Massachusetts 225
Wyoming 222
New Jersey 222
New Hampshire 221
Colorado 221
Indiana 220
Utah 219
Connecticut 219
Mississippi 219
Florida 218
Kentucky 218
Lowest scores:
Arkansas 210
Maine 210
Delaware 210
District of Columbia 209
Michigan 209
Arizona 208
Oklahoma 207
Oregon 207
West Virginia 206
Alaska 202
New Mexico 201
In Math for 4th graders the average score was 237. Mississippi's score (239) was higher than Maryland's score (234). Maryland was below the average.
This is actually quite remarkable since Mississippi has a high percentage of black kids. Most of the high scoring states in that list have very few black students. Mississippi and Florida must be doing some things right to still have decent average test scores despite a large black population.
Are you suggesting that black kids are not as good test takers, all things being equal?
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:10
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
So, no more student loan payments?
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:04
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another Trump failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-bid-dismantle-152410785.html
Another Trump win.
Three Cheers for President Trump!!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!!
TRUMP! TRUMP!! HOORAY!!!
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Yes! We can finally cultivate a large, uneducated slave class to work in mines and factories! And even if OSHA is still alive, they won’t be able to read the safety rules and regs!
Three cheers!!
Hysterical much?
Dept of Education has always provided little value.
Not if you’re in a dirt poor state at the bottom of the rankings. Do Louisiana and Mississippi have the same school taxes as NJ, Maryland and Massachusetts? Good northeastern school districts will survive this. Places without a base of high warning property owners are screwed, unless the wealthy in their state want to pony up money to educate the poor.
Mississipi has drastically improved their reading scores by following the science of reading philosophy several years ago while the Dept of Education has been promoting balanced literacy for years and years up until the past year.
According to the Nations Report Card https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&chort=1&sub=RED&sj=&st=MN&year=2024R3 in reading for 4th grade on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) the average score for 4th grade reading was 214. Mississippi's 4th graders were tied for 7th at 219. Maryland was at 216.
Highest scores:
Massachusetts 225
Wyoming 222
New Jersey 222
New Hampshire 221
Colorado 221
Indiana 220
Utah 219
Connecticut 219
Mississippi 219
Florida 218
Kentucky 218
Lowest scores:
Arkansas 210
Maine 210
Delaware 210
District of Columbia 209
Michigan 209
Arizona 208
Oklahoma 207
Oregon 207
West Virginia 206
Alaska 202
New Mexico 201
In Math for 4th graders the average score was 237. Mississippi's score (239) was higher than Maryland's score (234). Maryland was below the average.
This is actually quite remarkable since Mississippi has a high percentage of black kids. Most of the high scoring states in that list have very few black students. Mississippi and Florida must be doing some things right to still have decent average test scores despite a large black population.
Mississippi's brilliant strategy for increasing 4th grade reading scores was to prevent low scoring students from enrolling in 4th grade!
They just gamed the stats.
https://mdek12.org/literacy/lbpa/
Anonymous
07/14/2025 19:00
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
The entity that prosecutes anti-semitism on campuses is...the department of education.
Oh, well.
Oh, well.
Anonymous
07/14/2025 18:46
Subject: Department of Education going back to work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another Trump failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-bid-dismantle-152410785.html
Another Trump win.
Three Cheers for President Trump!!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!
Trump! Trump! Hooray!!
TRUMP! TRUMP!! HOORAY!!!
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Yes! We can finally cultivate a large, uneducated slave class to work in mines and factories! And even if OSHA is still alive, they won’t be able to read the safety rules and regs!
Three cheers!!
Hysterical much?
Dept of Education has always provided little value.
Test scores certainly plummeted since the Dept of Education was instituted.
Question for those who know - Did states test their students prior to the establishment of the DOE?
Did it even matter to most back in let’s say, the late 1800s, if you made it past the 8th grade, as long as you could read your paycheck and the Bible? It mattered if you were from a well-off educated family of course, but for the unwashed masses, literacy was a nice thing to aim for if you didn’t have to get to work by age 10.
NWEA testing started before the Department of Education existed as a separate entity from Health, Education, and Welfare. It doesn't show test scores "plummeting" though: https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/?age=9
Would be interesting to know who exactly was tested. It’s not like all of the immigrants who came through Ellis Island had university degrees and were eager to get their kids through high school rather than bringing home money, especially daughters. Was NWEA testing groups that were succeeding at one room school houses and posh boarding schools?