Anonymous wrote:How can MIT be expected to pick TJ students when many of those students are being admitted with lower math than their base school?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yup. Varsity math team cheater. No one on VMT got accepted to MIT this year and historically at least a few do.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

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They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

The new process selects the top 1.5% of students. The old process favored students whose families could afford to buy early access to the test from expensive outside cram schools.

Yeah. This is a little. Nobody was buying tests.

Almost every study in the area shows that standardized tests measure a thing that is very much with measuring. And it is a combination of wokeness and white supremacy that has undermined the legitimacy of standardized testing as a valuable measuring tool.

Tests are not racist. URM just aren't as academically prepared. Asians aren't doing better than Whites because they are getting advanced chores of the test, white kid just aren't studying as hard as Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yes too much cheating among certain groups hurt everyone.

If we wanted a proxy for academic dishonesty, we could look at several things.

One things we could look at is a diagnosis of a learning disability to get extra time on standardized tests. Overwhelmingly white.

Another thing we could look at is who got caught up on the varsity blue scandal. Overwhelmingly white.

But something tells me that the group you think is cheating is not white people. This is white supremacist thinking. You think that the only way some groups can be outperforming whites is with cheating. When the evidence seems to suggest that the only way white can keep up with those groups is with cheating.

DP. When they say cheating is rampant at TJ, they don't mean cheating among white students, or not white students only.

Is there less cheating now than 4-5 years ago? Not sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yes too much cheating among certain groups hurt everyone.

If we wanted a proxy for academic dishonesty, we could look at several things.

One things we could look at is a diagnosis of a learning disability to get extra time on standardized tests. Overwhelmingly white.

Another thing we could look at is who got caught up on the varsity blue scandal. Overwhelmingly white.

But something tells me that the group you think is cheating is not white people. This is white supremacist thinking. You think that the only way some groups can be outperforming whites is with cheating. When the evidence seems to suggest that the only way white can keep up with those groups is with cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yes too much cheating among certain groups hurt everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

The new process selects the top 1.5% of students. The old process favored students whose families could afford to buy early access to the test from expensive outside cram schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

The new process selects the top 1.5% of students. The old process favored students whose families could afford to buy early access to the test from expensive outside cram schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.