Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 17:40     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
But in Ang country it's hard to find a Carney. This is why luck exists and so tangibly real.

Also having Freeland is lucky.

Most politicians esp here in UZ would never give up power. Ever. Freehand was not just smart enough but selfless and patriotic enough to make this happen.

The right ingredients, timing, opportunity. It's a good day to be a Canadian

Unfortunately the US was exactly opposite. Everyone was too selfish to find the right leader from DNC, Biden, GOP and Congress. We had Trump who has opportunity given Biden and Kamala as options and he is who he is so now we are here. Sigh...


Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 17:25     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
equally, yes
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 17:24     Subject: Re:Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:His speech last night was so eloquent, gracious and dignified at a level worthy of his position and here we are...


worshipful aren’t we

And MAGA isn’t???
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 17:15     Subject: Re:Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:His speech last night was so eloquent, gracious and dignified at a level worthy of his position and here we are...


worshipful aren’t we
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 17:01     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:Is Bloc Quebecois going to make outrageous demands for their support?


I grew up in Quebec. This question made laugh. Of course the Bloc is going to make outrageous demands. It’s Quebec!

Signed,

A converted Ontario resident
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 13:42     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
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Anonymous wrote:But why did Trump hand the election to Liberals?


Canadian here. I have no idea, but I am grateful. Six months ago I was convinced Poilevre had it in the bag. Then Trump got involved.


A couple of other important events happened before that. Freeland stepped down because she wasn't happy with Trudeau antics. That was bold. Then Trudeau had the grace and foresight to step down early as leader to give the Liberal party a chance to find another leader. That paved the way for Carney.

But I'll admit that the tariffs, and then the talk of 51st state, helped to return Canadians to voting Liberal.



Freeland stepped down as she wasn’t earmarked to be the successor. I assuming as a political move, she was hoping distancing herself from her position in the government would allow her to run on her own platform. This is where Harris got stuck - she couldn’t say anything negative about the current government’s policies as well, that included her. Freeland honestly wouldn’t have brought a Liberal win. Trudeau resigning and The party picking Carney, despite him being off the radar in so many ways, was a brilliant tactical move.


The piece that is missing here is that Freeland and Carney have been good friends for decades - her son, his godson is in 10th(?) grade. In a TV interview last night she said that she didn't have a crystal ball in Dec. but she knew that there needed to be change in the party and precipitated it by resigning. She had a strong hunch that Trump is going to be a threat to Canada (see her book "Plutocrats" and her dealings when negotiating the USMCA) and Trudeau was dead in the water. I assume that she realized that she couldn't influence things with Trudeau in place, but could if either (she) or (Carney, with her in a support role) were at the helm.

Pundits in Canada are talking about whether Carney will be able to do the politics of leading a minority government - he doesn't have to. Freeland is genius at working with leaders across political colours, and has been instrumental in getting trade barriers between provinces removed even as Carney & Co have been campaigning. She is a backroom, late night phone call, operator and she has the skills to get disparate people singing from the same hymn sheet. Freeland knew she couldn't bring a Liberal win, but she also knew that she has the skills to make sure that a political-novice, economic wonk, can do politics successfully. I wonder whether Carney would have even run for the leadership if he didn't know that Freeland would stick around to do the politics. Anita Anand and Sean Fraser are staying on and I assume that they are parts of the jigsaw too.


The problem is not Freeland’s competence. The problem is she never would have been voted in as the PM. This is why Carney was “the chosen one” and the other election results prove it was a good move. Anand is a very good politician - I know her riding and people who aren’t stuck on a party but voted for her in the riding as she was the only candidate that was out knocking on doors.

Carney is not a politician. He’s an economist and banker, and that can appeal to a wider swath of the population. I think the move that was made was excellent for the party, and possibly excellent for the country. He’s going to have a learning curve, but he’s surrounded by good people. What remains to be seen is who he will put into cabinet.


I think that you didn't read me. My point is that Freeland is extraordinarily competent at politics. She is one of the competent people around Carney, and why it doesn't matter that he isn't a politician. She did a lot of the work behind the scenes for/with Trudeau, especially during CoVID. Recognizing that T. was at end of his road, she strategically caused the switch to the new front-facing leader who she recognises is perfect for dealing with Trump. She was the kingmaker.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 13:15     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Worshipping the god of global warming has left Canada with an economy centered around bringing in Chinese goods for completion in Canada and avoid tariffs under NAFTA, now USMCA.

That will be gone once the five year review of USMCA is triggered in July.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 13:11     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Is Bloc Quebecois going to make outrageous demands for their support?
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 13:02     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:How is it that Canadians came out in droves to vote for the Liberals and against Trump when Trump isn’t even on their ballot and then in this county we have literally endured a disastrous first Trump term yet this country again voted for this clown. A complete difference in education levels. 58% of Canadians have a college degree compared to only 33% of Americans.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 12:30     Subject: Re:Canadian Election 2025
His speech last night was so eloquent, gracious and dignified at a level worthy of his position and here we are...
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 12:27     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:How is it that Canadians came out in droves to vote for the Liberals and against Trump when Trump isn’t even on their ballot and then in this county we have literally endured a disastrous first Trump term yet this country again voted for this clown. A complete difference in education levels. 58% of Canadians have a college degree compared to only 33% of Americans.


It’s hardly surprising. Trump has targeted and bullied Canada and the conservatives have been tarnished by their proximity. If he hadn’t then the election outcome would probably be very different as it would mostly be fought on domestic issues. It’ll be interesting to see if the same happens in Australia next week. Popularity of the conservative opposition has fallen off a cliff since Trump launched his trade war.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 12:25     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is it that Canadians came out in droves to vote for the Liberals and against Trump when Trump isn’t even on their ballot and then in this county we have literally endured a disastrous first Trump term yet this country again voted for this clown. A complete difference in education levels. 58% of Canadians have a college degree compared to only 33% of Americans.


Russian/ Israeli/Chinese interference on US social media is the difference.
Where is all the outrage on Tik Tok re: Gaza now?
Where are the protests?
We have to get a hold on foreign propaganda in the country or we are f*#cked.


Yes foreign interference is an issue but it’s also a lack of education and deep rooted racism and misogyny which is why a woman running against Trump never wins.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 12:22     Subject: Re:Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 12:20     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:How is it that Canadians came out in droves to vote for the Liberals and against Trump when Trump isn’t even on their ballot and then in this county we have literally endured a disastrous first Trump term yet this country again voted for this clown. A complete difference in education levels. 58% of Canadians have a college degree compared to only 33% of Americans.


Russian/ Israeli/Chinese interference on US social media is the difference.
Where is all the outrage on Tik Tok re: Gaza now?
Where are the protests?
We have to get a hold on foreign propaganda in the country or we are f*#cked.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2025 12:20     Subject: Canadian Election 2025
Anonymous wrote:If we had a Carney type against Trump then we would not have Trump right now. Maybe we can learn for next time.


The closest we have to Carney would be a Buttigieg-Cuban ticket. Intellectual and clear communicator in Pete, and someone good for the economy in Mark, but neither is as good as Carney. Pete trails Carney when it comes to international policy/diplomacy experience and connections (Carney is VERY well connected in Europe, on speed dial with Macron...) and Mark Cuban is a successful businessman but not an economist on a global level like Carney. So we don't have any equivalent.