Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

You keep using the phrase empirical evidence heffe. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I don't think you understand how threads work and whom you are responding to.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

You keep using the phrase empirical evidence heffe. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I have an advanced degree that depended upon it. It received the highest grade possible so my supervisors may disagree with you.

This was in response to the poster who said, "that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

You keep using the phrase empirical evidence heffe. I don't think it means what you think it means. :lol:

I don't think it's spelled the way you think it's spelled

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So far, there’s been little mention of the religious tropes so many of us were taught to believe.

What about pearly gates, meeting God, reunions with Grandma, sitting on a cloud playing a harp?

Surely some of the people here aren’t expecting to just die. What about God?

I'm Christian and I think, and assume you know, that most of those visuals are metaphorical. I also think that meeting God isn't going to be like having a conversation. I think our consciousness after death must be fundamentally different.

But I also admit I'm scared we do just wink out.

It sounds like the above is something you made up and did not learn from your religion.

PS: I think there nothing to be scared of if we just "wink out." It will be like before we were born.

There's Nothing to be scared of. I'm scared of Nothing.
I like it here and don't want to lose that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So far, there’s been little mention of the religious tropes so many of us were taught to believe.

What about pearly gates, meeting God, reunions with Grandma, sitting on a cloud playing a harp?

Surely some of the people here aren’t expecting to just die. What about God?

I'm Christian and I think, and assume you know, that most of those visuals are metaphorical. I also think that meeting God isn't going to be like having a conversation. I think our consciousness after death must be fundamentally different.

But I also admit I'm scared we do just wink out.

Oh it's fundamentally different all right, either way.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mostly I think it’s going to feel like deep sleep with isolated sense of dream like awareness.
In this state you are going to lose sense of self but you will have awareness of the presence of others.
I think that is how we exited before birth.

I don’t know personally as I have never died physically.

However, I have enjoyed several shows documenting people who technically died for a short length of time and then came back to this life. Many described similar experiences. Nearly all described feeling much less afraid of death now and not wanting to leave the peaceful states they found themselves in. A couple described a hell like experience (dark, heavy, alone, oppressive) and completely changed their life priorities after returning to this life. If you watch any of them, please report back as to your impressions.

I Survived... Beyond and Back: A TV series on Hulu that profiles people who have had unexplainable experiences after being pronounced dead

Surviving Death: A docuseries on Netflix that explores near-death experiences,
reincarnation, and paranormal phenomena

The Life After Death Project: A show available to stream on Amazon Prime Video, Hoopla, Plex, and Plex Channel

Life to Afterlife: Death and Back: A 2020 movie available to watch

Death and Back 1: A show available to watch on Amazon Prime Video
In this episode of Life to Afterlife, Craig McMahon sits down with four people who died but came back to life.

Life After Death with Tyler Henry: A show available to watch on Netflix


I Died... and Came Back: A TV series that began in 2024 The show that follows the true stories of people who have had near-death experiences

Sounds like people are making a lot of money exploiting people's interest in what happens after death.

But if you're truly a Christian, you already know. You learned about it in Sunday School and hear about it in church and from other people.

If you're truly a Christian, you know what Christ showed you, not what other people told you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think our time on earth is purgatory. I think life as we know it is a second chance with good and evil (God and the devil) challenging us along the way. How you choose to respond, live your life, will determine your reality when you leave your body for the afterlife (heaven or hell).

You sound Catholic, mentioning purgatory, but purgatory is part of the afterlife, as any Catholic knows, and it's not here on earth.

It sounds like you just made up your own theology, which I don't think any religion allows.

Also catholics now regard Purgatory as a purification process not a place.

On 4 August 1999, Pope John Paul II, speaking of purgatory, said: "The term does not indicate a place, but a condition of existence. Those who, after death, exist in a state of purification, are already in the love of Christ who removes from them the remnants of imperfection as "a condition of existence".

Purgatory may not be a place, but ooh heaven is a place on Earth. Do you know what that's worth?

thought about *it* after you woke up

ITT: people talking about experiences while people are losing consciousness or unconscious, not experiences while people have 0 brain activity.

Have you ever had a dream, and then thought about not after you woke up? Your subjective experience of how much happened and how long it took and when it happened is not reliable AT ALL.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

So you think thousands of people who have reported similar experiences are all lying? We are talking about 10 - 20 percent of cardiac arrest survivors for starters … many other causes of NDEs …

No, your reasoning is wrong. The experiences these people report are true. Your false logic that its proof of a metaphysical is false.

Anyone who has experienced depletion of oxygen to the brain reports similar results, including pilots blacking out from pulling too many Gs. It's not just NDEs.

There is no scientific consensus on the neurobiology underlying widespread NDE experiences.

Estimates of NDE prevalence
5–10% of the general population
10–20% of people who have come close to death
17% of critically ill patients
18–23% of cardiac arrest survivors
43–48% of adults who have been affected by life-threatening illnesses
85% of children who have been affected by life-threatening illnesses

A handful of researchers, mostly emergency room doctors, began collecting qual­itative data about NDEs after the 1975 publication of psychiatrist and physician Raymond A. Moody’s book Life after Life, which detailed patients’ accounts of near-death experiences.

Roland Griffiths, a psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins University who pioneered studies of psilocybin and who died last October, reported similar findings with his colleagues in 2022. The authors compared 3,192 people who had undergone an NDE, a psychedelic drug trip or a nondrug-induced mystical experience. The team found “remarkably similar” long-term outcomes across subjects in all three groups, including a reduced fear of death and lasting positive effects of insights they had gained.

In another study, published in 2024 in the journal Neuroscience of Consciousness, Martial, Timmermann and their colleagues interviewed 31 people who had experienced an NDE and had also tried a psychedelic drug—LSD, psilocybin, ayahuasca, DMT or mescaline—to see what they had to say about the similarities and differences between the events. Participants reported stronger sensory effects during their NDE, including the sensation of being disembodied, but stronger visual imagery during their drug trip. They reported feelings of spirituality, connectedness and deeper meaning across both.

In comparisons of these mystical experiences, “the common ground that’s striking to me is in things like a profound, deep sense of love—that all is love and that consciousness is love,” says Bossis, who studies the effects of psilocybin in people with terminal cancer, focusing on relieving end-of-life distress, enhancing spirituality, and providing a greater sense of meaning and fulfillment in life. “There’s also a sense of transcending time as we know it and a greater acceptance of the mystery of life and death.”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

You keep using the phrase empirical evidence heffe. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I have an advanced degree that depended upon it. It received the highest grade possible so my supervisors may disagree with you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

So you think thousands of people who have reported similar experiences are all lying? We are talking about 10 - 20 percent of cardiac arrest survivors for starters … many other causes of NDEs …

No, your reasoning is wrong. The experiences these people report are true. Your false logic that its proof of a metaphysical is false.

Anyone who has experienced depletion of oxygen to the brain reports similar results, including pilots blacking out from pulling too many Gs. It's not just NDEs.

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

So you think thousands of people who have reported similar experiences are all lying? We are talking about 10 - 20 percent of cardiac arrest survivors for starters … many other causes of NDEs …

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think our time on earth is purgatory. I think life as we know it is a second chance with good and evil (God and the devil) challenging us along the way. How you choose to respond, live your life, will determine your reality when you leave your body for the afterlife (heaven or hell).

You sound Catholic, mentioning purgatory, but purgatory is part of the afterlife, as any Catholic knows, and it's not here on earth.

It sounds like you just made up your own theology, which I don't think any religion allows.

What do you think every single religion is if not just making up theology? What makes anyone else’s opinion more accurate than op?

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

You keep using the phrase empirical evidence heffe. I don't think it means what you think it means.