Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if people's visceral negative reactions to these drugs come from feeling threatened that now they won't be as special being one of the rare thin people. The majority of society is obese. Being slim and fit truly does set you apart and confers so many advantages in one's personal and professional life. You look better, you garner more respect, you are treated much more nicely. Now formerly fat people are shedding pounds at a feverish pace and joining the ranks of the thin and good looking. If being fit and slim becomes ubiquitous, there goes the special treatment for the skinnies!

This is just an extension of victim complex. People feel they are a victimized by "conditions" when the put themselves into a place of being obese in the first place. In analyzing this pharmaceutical that does the work for them, they figure out another way to be victimized.

Beyond this, you can definitely be slim using these drugs. But you won't have much in the way of fitness. At least not at a level that is admirable anyways. Fitness comes from real work. These drugs have the opposite affect with regard to strength development and muscle hypertrophy, among other things.

You speak as if you feel you are an expert but offer no supporting data or qualifications. Which is fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but you know what they say about those.

Since there is a growing amount of data and research about insulin resistance done by trained medical professionals, some of us will choose to give that credence and ignore opinions of people who do not support their views with facts and use pejoratives to make them feel superior. It's a weak approach to logic and indicates the Dunning-Kruger effect in play to me.

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence". - Christopher Hitchens.

This isn't even responsive. The question is whether you can be slim and FIT as a result of these drugs. The answer is generally what I provided. Nobody is going to be in the top 10% of fitness taking these drugs - regardless of what metric you want to use. They may well be thin, but they are likely also to lose a significant amount of muscle mass in that process if they lose any significant amount of weight - though not something that should dissuade people from using the medication, just a reality. Let me google it for you:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(24)00272-9/abstract
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38937282/

Among others. There are ways to avoid some of this, and its not a reason to avoid the medication, but claiming the medication is all of a sudden going to have you running elite times and lifting in the 90% for your age is just wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did no one read the article I shared? The cardiologists and other doctors are taking these drugs for themselves. And no one can say that medical doctors are slackers. The article definitely made me feel safer taking them.

Yes, many physicians slack a ton when it comes to their own health. Do as I say and not as I do.

Well, to be fair, a lot of doctors have irregular hours that make proper sit-down meals and scheduled exercise a bit challenging.

Anonymous wrote:I think the majority of the population will take GLP-1s or other weight loss drugs once generics are available. The alternative would be sweeping changes to big ag and food to subsidize healthy veggies and fruits, remove additives, and improve the quality of available food. Drugs are more likely, though I wonder if the food industry will lobby Congress to prevent wider adoption of weight loss drugs.

Widespread use of GLP 1s will drive improvements to the food industry. The food industry has put so many additives into foods that it creates addiction and over eating on low quality food. GLP 1s reduce your desire for those foods and actually makes them seem gross. I’m looking forward to the positive changes to the food industry.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if people's visceral negative reactions to these drugs come from feeling threatened that now they won't be as special being one of the rare thin people. The majority of society is obese. Being slim and fit truly does set you apart and confers so many advantages in one's personal and professional life. You look better, you garner more respect, you are treated much more nicely. Now formerly fat people are shedding pounds at a feverish pace and joining the ranks of the thin and good looking. If being fit and slim becomes ubiquitous, there goes the special treatment for the skinnies!

This is just an extension of victim complex. People feel they are a victimized by "conditions" when the put themselves into a place of being obese in the first place. In analyzing this pharmaceutical that does the work for them, they figure out another way to be victimized.

Beyond this, you can definitely be slim using these drugs. But you won't have much in the way of fitness. At least not at a level that is admirable anyways. Fitness comes from real work. These drugs have the opposite affect with regard to strength development and muscle hypertrophy, among other things.

You speak as if you feel you are an expert but offer no supporting data or qualifications. Which is fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but you know what they say about those.

Since there is a growing amount of data and research about insulin resistance done by trained medical professionals, some of us will choose to give that credence and ignore opinions of people who do not support their views with facts and use pejoratives to make them feel superior. It's a weak approach to logic and indicates the Dunning-Kruger effect in play to me.

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence". - Christopher Hitchens.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if people's visceral negative reactions to these drugs come from feeling threatened that now they won't be as special being one of the rare thin people. The majority of society is obese. Being slim and fit truly does set you apart and confers so many advantages in one's personal and professional life. You look better, you garner more respect, you are treated much more nicely. Now formerly fat people are shedding pounds at a feverish pace and joining the ranks of the thin and good looking. If being fit and slim becomes ubiquitous, there goes the special treatment for the skinnies!

This is just an extension of victim complex. People feel they are a victimized by "conditions" when the put themselves into a place of being obese in the first place. In analyzing this pharmaceutical that does the work for them, they figure out another way to be victimized.

Beyond this, you can definitely be slim using these drugs. But you won't have much in the way of fitness. At least not at a level that is admirable anyways. Fitness comes from real work. These drugs have the opposite affect with regard to strength development and muscle hypertrophy, among other things.