It's not a legal offer. Only the stupidest will take the Fork.

It's better just to get another job and leave, or just do regular retirement than try to take advantage of this Forking offer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

Again, a federal RIF comes with benefits, severance and protections. And in many cases more money than the FORK. Very few people can just be fired. They need to go through RIF procedures. I know they aren’t right now, but that’s next weeks lawsuit. RIF is in a statute, passed by Congress. It’s a real thing people can depend on and does not require you to sign away all rights. In almost all cases, RIF is better than FORK.

Federal rif is no way near as good as this deal of 8 months paid, especially for those without many years of service. And remember you aren't guaranteed a RIF, they may just fire people for performance as the bar has been set high and requires 5 days a week in person:
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Wooooooooooww, so federal employees are being noble and self-sacrificing by turning it down and costing the government less money, then? How selfless.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.

A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...

You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?

Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.

I hope somebody studies their brain when they die like we study the brain of football players to see what the **** went wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.

A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...

You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?

Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.

+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.

DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.

The people I know who took it are past retirement age and are doing a VERA on top of it, or were looking to change careers and move, and thought "eh, what do I have to lose?".

System wide, if we believe the published number, there may be 50K employees who took it, about 2.5% of the workforce, far from the 5-10% they were hoping for.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

Again, a federal RIF comes with benefits, severance and protections. And in many cases more money than the FORK. Very few people can just be fired. They need to go through RIF procedures. I know they aren’t right now, but that’s next weeks lawsuit. RIF is in a statute, passed by Congress. It’s a real thing people can depend on and does not require you to sign away all rights. In almost all cases, RIF is better than FORK.

Federal rif is no way near as good as this deal of 8 months paid, especially for those without many years of service. And remember you aren't guaranteed a RIF, they may just fire people for performance as the bar has been set high and requires 5 days a week in person:

A Reduction in Force in the federal government is a permanent job loss that may include severance pay. The amount of severance pay is based on years of service and salary.
How is severance pay calculated?
For less than one year of service, the severance pay is two weeks of base salary
For one to five years of service, the severance pay is one month of base salary
For five to ten years of service, the severance pay is two months of base salary
For ten to twenty years of service, the severance pay is three months of base salary
For twenty or more years of service, the severance pay is four months of base salary

Who is Not Eligible for Severance Pay?
Certain categories of federal employees are excluded from receiving severance pay:

Employees who resign voluntarily or accept the Trump administration’s 8-month buyout instead.
Employees who qualify for immediate federal retirement benefits (including early retirement programs).
Employees who are terminated for misconduct or poor performance.
Employees who have previously received any federal severance pay from a previous layoff.
Military retirees who return to federal service and later lose their civilian jobs.
Severance Pay Calculation
Federal severance pay is calculated based on a combination of the employee’s salary, years of service, and age adjustment factors. The formula is structured to provide higher payouts to employees with longer tenure, with an additional bonus for older employees who may face greater difficulty finding new employment.

Basic Severance Pay Formula
For the first 10 years of service: Employees receive one week of pay per full year of service.
Beyond 10 years of service: Employees receive two weeks of pay per additional year beyond the 10-year mark.
For additional months of service: Employees receive 25% of the annualized severance amount per additional quarter-year of service.
Age Adjustment Allowance
Employees over 40 years old receive an age adjustment to their severance pay.
The age factor increases every three months after turning 40, adding 2.5% to the severance calculation per quarter-year over age 40.
This adjustment is designed to help older workers who may face longer periods of unemployment.

Oh lord. RIF is better because IT'S LEGAL.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.

A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...

You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?

Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.

+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.

DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.

Um...can you read? I was agreeing with this poster. Fork is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. And I'm old. I've seen alot.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so looking forward to the discovery phase and new revelations about administration incompetency!

Indeed. The 20-somethings will say all sorts of dumb things in their electronic communications; they don’t know any better.

I'm sure using their personal phones and emails and computers which will leave those open to discovery as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

Again, a federal RIF comes with benefits, severance and protections. And in many cases more money than the FORK. Very few people can just be fired. They need to go through RIF procedures. I know they aren’t right now, but that’s next weeks lawsuit. RIF is in a statute, passed by Congress. It’s a real thing people can depend on and does not require you to sign away all rights. In almost all cases, RIF is better than FORK.

Federal rif is no way near as good as this deal of 8 months paid, especially for those without many years of service. And remember you aren't guaranteed a RIF, they may just fire people for performance as the bar has been set high and requires 5 days a week in person:

A Reduction in Force in the federal government is a permanent job loss that may include severance pay. The amount of severance pay is based on years of service and salary.
How is severance pay calculated?
For less than one year of service, the severance pay is two weeks of base salary
For one to five years of service, the severance pay is one month of base salary
For five to ten years of service, the severance pay is two months of base salary
For ten to twenty years of service, the severance pay is three months of base salary
For twenty or more years of service, the severance pay is four months of base salary

Who is Not Eligible for Severance Pay?
Certain categories of federal employees are excluded from receiving severance pay:

Employees who resign voluntarily or accept the Trump administration’s 8-month buyout instead.
Employees who qualify for immediate federal retirement benefits (including early retirement programs).
Employees who are terminated for misconduct or poor performance.
Employees who have previously received any federal severance pay from a previous layoff.
Military retirees who return to federal service and later lose their civilian jobs.
Severance Pay Calculation
Federal severance pay is calculated based on a combination of the employee’s salary, years of service, and age adjustment factors. The formula is structured to provide higher payouts to employees with longer tenure, with an additional bonus for older employees who may face greater difficulty finding new employment.

Basic Severance Pay Formula
For the first 10 years of service: Employees receive one week of pay per full year of service.
Beyond 10 years of service: Employees receive two weeks of pay per additional year beyond the 10-year mark.
For additional months of service: Employees receive 25% of the annualized severance amount per additional quarter-year of service.
Age Adjustment Allowance
Employees over 40 years old receive an age adjustment to their severance pay.
The age factor increases every three months after turning 40, adding 2.5% to the severance calculation per quarter-year over age 40.
This adjustment is designed to help older workers who may face longer periods of unemployment.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.

A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...

You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?

Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.

+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.

DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so looking forward to the discovery phase and new revelations about administration incompetency!

Indeed. The 20-somethings will say all sorts of dumb things in their electronic communications; they don’t know any better.

Every scam has a fall guy. Or six of them.

Shame.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.

A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...

You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?

Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.

+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.

Anonymous wrote:I'm so looking forward to the discovery phase and new revelations about administration incompetency!

Indeed. The 20-somethings will say all sorts of dumb things in their electronic communications; they don’t know any better.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.

No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.

A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...

You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?

Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.

Anonymous wrote:I'm so looking forward to the discovery phase and new revelations about administration incompetency!

Meeeeee, too. (Grabs popcorn.)

I'm so looking forward to the discovery phase and new revelations about administration incompetency!